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Oldstone
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Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 720
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:00 am: | 
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alley, why isn't it ok for my dog to exert his dominance over his little sister with 10 seconds or less of harmless humping that she clearly enjoys (from a playing standpoint) as well? because it's embarassing to look at for some people? |
MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3816
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:12 am: |
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Dominance behavior can start with the situation you describe and escalate from there. If he only exhibits this behavior with his "sister" then probably there is no harm. But, if he starts to exhibit dominance behaviors of various kinds with other animals or members of your family, and it is allowed to continue unchecked, it could evolve in to some serious behavior issues.
In addition, by you discouraging this type of dominance behavior, you are reinforcing for your dog that you are the alpha dog and you are the boss and you decide who does what and when. |
Oldstone
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Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 722
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:20 am: |
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oh i see...well, he only does it with her. and he is so freaked still about her stealing attention away from him that i will indulge him because there is a part of him that is bummed that i am not his alone anymore. it's kinda sad, actually. i feel badly for him but she's just so damned cute!!
btw, if you knew my dog and me there would no question as to who the alpha was!
i have to throw him a bone here and there or i'm afraid his spirit will be broken. |
MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3819
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:31 am: |
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Don't think there's any danger of "breaking his spirit." Wild "dogs" who live in packs have a very specific, rigid hierarchy and each animal is more secure in knowing his place in the pack, even the one on the very lowest level.
My dog is a pit, so I'm pretty familiar with dominance. When we first got him he was two months old and growled at us when we tried to approach him when he was eating. Freaked us out at first, but then we understood that we needed to nip the behavior in the bud, or it could escalate out of control and lead to serious and frightening (particularly in a dog of his breed and size) behavior problems. We fed him by hand for several weeks so he learned that his food came from us (in the wild the alpha eats first, and then "allows" the others to eat in hierarchical order). Then we graduated to putting the food in his bowl a handfull at a time, and "handling" him as he was eating it. Now, my kids can put their hands literally in his bowl while he's eating and he isn't even remotely disturbed.
Sorry--thread drift--I just find the whole behavioral aspect of dog training very intriguing! |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6203
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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dOd,
You hit the nail on the head:
"Now if someone is too stupid, greedy or irresponsible to keep their dogs from breeding than I would say, yes, spay and neuter your pets. Personally, I think their animals should be taken away, but that's not the way the world works these days."
That's one of the biggest reasons why animals need to be nuetered.
I have to nueter my dog because he was a well known condition and I don't want him to have serious health issues when he grows up. I would have nuetered him anyway, because I don't want to be stupid, greedy or irresponsible.
If you ever visited the pound in Newark from where I have been rescuing dogs for many years, you'd change your tune. It's heartbreaking. |
dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 90
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:00 pm: |
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Hi mem,
of course, I'm assuming that everyone on this board doesn't fall under the category of stupid, greedy and irresponsible and therefore can control their animals.
Wendyn,
"You seriously think a sexually frustrated confined animal is happier than a castrated one?"
I know I am.
I knew a woman who as a teenager was depressed. Her parents took her to a psychiatrist and they performed a frontal lobotomy. She wasn't depressed any longer though she could barely count to one hundred.
Primary sexual characteristics and drive in dogs would come from certain triggers, say a bitch in heat. Caging a male beside her would be cruel and frustrating. Take him away from her and the desire dissipates. Secondary characteristics, such as dominance, are training issues and can easily be dealt with.
dOd |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2131
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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DOD said:
Quote:Now if someone is too stupid, greedy or irresponsible to keep their dogs from breeding than I would say, yes, spay and neuter your pets. Personally, I think their animals should be taken away, but that's not the way the world works these days.
I have a great idea, let's give intelligence tests to people who want to get a pet so we can know which ones should be allowed to have them or not. I think this is stupid, because there is no way to do this. A better policy is to keep the system the way it is -- all animals should be spayed and neutered unless you SPECIFICALLY want to breed. Also keep in mind that you are insulting EVERYONE who has let their dog escape. Just look on this board and you will see that VERY many dogs escape each year just in this small community. I guess they are all stupid and shouldn't have had pets. In fact you believe they should have their pets taken from them. I'm sorry but you started off this conversation sort of arrogant and all-knowing and you really haven't deviated from your pompousness. You strike me as being uneducated about the animal reproduction problems in this country. There is no law requiring you to spay your pet, but you would deny someone from having a pet because you disagree with everyone elses stance on spaying and neutering or their inability from keeping their animals from breeding. Really what do you have to offer to this conversation that you haven't already added? |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2132
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:40 pm: |
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Oldstone, sounds to me like you are saying your male dog is pretty submissive to your household. If that is true that he is submissive to EVERYONE in your house, then you don't need to worry about exerting your dominance over him. However, you do need to remember that MOST people at the dog parks don't like their animals being humped. It also can lead to dog fights. I've seen it. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6205
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:42 pm: |
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Hi dOd,
I mean no disresect (yet  ), but are you from down south by any chance - I know it is a cultural thing not to nueter and spay there, especailly for males, maybe it's a macho thing? |
Oldstone
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Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 723
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:47 pm: |
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alley, pls. don't go jumping to conclusions about my dog, me or my household. he is submissive to me and dominant to my younger female. my dog has never humped another dog at a dog park. my dog is perfectly behaved. he is a therapy dog. he is my dog-walker's puppy chaperone. i know what i am doing. |
dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 91
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Hi mem,
as far opposite from the south as can be. Canada. You'll see it in the way I spell "colour" and pronounce "clique."
And tell wry jokes.
Alley,
near as I can tell, I've been polite and rational. I don't use emoticons which seems to lead people to believe the writer is arrogant. Not really, I just have a lot of experience with dogs so I tend to be earnest and direct. Call it passion if that helps. If it helps further, my Dog Writers Award of America will attest that I am somewhat educated. Though I confess, I think they were giving them away the year I won.
How do I insult people whose dogs have escaped? What is the insult? I would imagine someone whose lived through that would take greater precautions in the future. I'll bet that the vast majority of dogs in the shelters are not from escapees. After all, what are the odds that your dog makes a break for it and runs into another intact dog at the perfect time for breeding before you're able to find him? Now, if you're opening your door and letting Rex run rampant for a bit then you're a moron and yes, should have your dog taken away. After all, you're breaking the law at that point.
The shelters are full because people are breeding their dogs, placing them poorly, then abandoning them.
Sadly, we are probably moving to madatory spay/neuter laws where jack-booted government officials will be busting down our doors sniffing out our dog's testicles. The Neuticle busines will shoot throught the roof.
So, for want of a four dollar collar, a six dollar lead and a couple of afternoons spent with a decent trainer, here we are.
dOd
P.S. as long as people ask a question, I'll keep posting. Thanks. |
Oldstone
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Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 724
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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d0d, would like to hear more about the dog writer's award you won and for what? |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2135
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:50 pm: |
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Quote:I would imagine someone whose lived through that would take greater precautions in the future. I'll bet that the vast majority of dogs in the shelters are not from escapees. After all, what are the odds that your dog makes a break for it and runs into another intact dog at the perfect time for breeding before you're able to find him?
If everyone didn't neuter their dogs, then there is a MUCH GREATER chance of of this happening. It's a very good thing that the rest of the world doesn't have your opinion on fixing their pets.
Oldstone, you seemed to get irritated with me from my last post to you. I didn't mean to offend, I was just trying to give good reasons to not let your dog get in the habit of mounting. I agreed with what Meand said and was just trying to add on one more reason (the dog park one) that you might want to curtail the behavior. Sorry if I overstepped the line somehow. |
dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 92
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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Hi old,
actually it was Dog Writers Association of America and it was for--enjoy the irony--a series of commercials encouraging people to adopt a dog from their local shelter.
And so it goes.
dOd |
Calliope
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Username: Calliope
Post Number: 263
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 6:12 pm: |
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enjoy the irony--a series of commercials encouraging people to adopt a dog from their local shelter.
Just as a matter of curiosity, did you do any research by actually visiting local shelters? Did you interview ACOs, volunteers and rescue groups?
Calli |
dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 93
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 6:47 pm: |
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Yes. Lots of research.
I kept to local shelters and volunteers though and not duplicitous "animal rights" organizations like the HSUS.
dOd
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Calliope
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Username: Calliope
Post Number: 264
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 7:19 pm: |
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I didn't ask about animal rights organization,HSUS or any other.
I simply inquired about the Animal Control Officers, shelter volunteers and rescue groups.
Thanks, you answered my question.
Calli |
Oldstone
Citizen
Username: Rogers4317
Post Number: 726
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:09 am: |
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d0d, oh i see. congrats. i thought maybe you were the montclair author of a book about dogs and men that i read fairly recently. good book, although i forget the name of it now...about men's relationships with dogs as their best friends. i love dogs. |
dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 94
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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As do I, Old, but not my book.
Another book you may like is Eminent Dogs, Dangerous Men. It follows Don McCaig as he searches Scotland for a new border collie and is a great insight into the world of the working collie.
Calli,
I simply meant that we dealt with the people on the front line versus organizations that take advantage of unfortunate dogs and gullible people for financial and political gain.
dOd |
MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3835
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Don't know why you have that attitude about humane organizations. I worked for the ASPCA in Manhattan and would never catagorize them (or the HSUS) as organizations "that take advantage of unfortunate dogs and gullible people for financial and political gain." While there might have been a few senior officers who had ulterior motives, the majority of folks who work there do so because they care about animals and what happens to them. You can rest assured they aren't doing it for the big bucks!
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dOd
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Username: Dod
Post Number: 95
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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Me,
I can post some info later if anyone's interested, but in the meanwhile search "HSUS animal rights."
>>Shortly after president Wayne Pacelle joined HSUS in 1994, he told Animal People (an inside-the-movement watchdog newspaper) that his goal was to build “a National Rifle Association of the animal rights movement.” And now, as the organization’s leader, he’s in a position to back up his rhetoric with action. In 2005 Pacelle announced the formation of a new “Animal Protection Litigation Section” within HSUS, dedicated to “the process of researching, preparing, and prosecuting animal protection lawsuits in state and federal court.”
Strange that a well over 100 million dollar organization doesn't own or operate a shelter in the US. They are an animal rights group in line with PETA, ALF and ELF. They employ John “J.P.” Goodwin, a former Animal Liberation Front member and spokesman with a lengthy arrest record and a history of promoting arson to accomplish animal liberation.
>>Referring to a fire that caused almost $1 million in damage and could easily have killed a family sleeping on the premises, Goodwin told the Deseret News, “We’re ecstatic.”
Now we're way off topic.
dOd
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