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jolynn
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Username: Unixiscool
Post Number: 28
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 4:40 pm: | 
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I would love to get a facial/deep cleansing done. Where is a good place to do this? Is that what microdermabrasion is, or does that just take off a layer of skin? I am thinking more of a cleansing then skin removal =) |
red
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 5746
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 5:06 pm: |
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I think for microdermabrasion you go to your dermatologist. Anthony Garubo gives great facials. |
Lydia
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Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1957
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 7:41 pm: |
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I tried microderabrasion a few years ago (got it done at a derms office) It HURTS! Imagine a cat, no imagine a tiger licking your face for 20 minutes.
I was red-faced for days and I didn't see any real improvement in smoothness.
Las - the hydroquinine creams do help, a derm. can give you a stronger perscription and give you other creams to help fade the forehead blotch.
I've never noticed the acne of which you speak - but it may be rosacea (which I have) and topical creams that I get from my derm. keep it under control.
And lastly - you do not weigh 700 pounds, stop being so mean to yourself!!! |
sk8mom
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Username: Sk8mom
Post Number: 446
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 8:10 pm: |
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The bleaching stuff I got from my old dermatologist in NY (at NYU) was 1 part retinol, 1 part bleaching agent and 1 part hydrocortisone (for inflamation). It was a compound a good pharmacy can mix up, not available from a pharmaceutical company.
Personally, myself and others I know have had good luck finding a good dermatologist and getting the straight scoop for your type of skin. (When I was in my 20's, it boiled down to using Cetaphil instead of soap and not rubbing outbreaks. A friend was advised to use vaseline. It was the best, and cheapest solution ever.) Otherwise you're casting about trying different, possibly expensive things with no clue whether they're going to work.
I took recommendations here and now see Dr. Alan Liftin on Old Short Hills Rd. Unfortunately, he said the 'miracle' lasers and peels I read about here would not do me any good because he thought my skin looked great. (good news, but somewhat disappointing, as we're always looking for that fix!) I have seen an overall subtle improvement with the products he sells and it's comforting to know I'm on the right path going forward. |
Lydia
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Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1959
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 8:52 pm: |
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Sk8mom -
Dr. Liftin is my derm too (not the one I got the microderm from tho) he doesn't promise miracles, which is sometimes a downer (you mean a painful and expensive treatment won't turn back the clock 20 years?)
At least I know what he gives me is effective. I'm taking care of my poor skin which saw many summers of Savage baby-oiled tans (it was the '70's) - I feel like I got a second chance. |
flugermongers
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Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 609
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 9:34 pm: |
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Shanabana, I totally hear you. All advertisments and industries like this are geared to make women feel bad about themselves, and therefore, spill the cash. It's been researched and documented, and I just took a women's studies class all about it  I'm only 24, but I definitely don't look like any type of sociological beauty, and so I've had my share of body issues (though frankly to me, they're the least of my problems) -- but they're daunting, and they really mess with women's heads and truly hurt. A man can be fat, wrinkley, and still be called a hunk (Harrison Ford, Kevin James, Jack Nicholson) but god forbid a woman grow a wrinkle on her face, like she has smiled once or twice in her lifetime....
Anyway, wish you luck with your hyper-pigmentation removal stuff - is that anything like a port-wine stain? I always actually thought those were really beautiful. If the product doesn't work, go to a dermatologist.
Greenetree, I think a lot of hair removal goes by $1 per hair, but I think that is electrolosys (sp?). I'd like to know the pros/cons of laser v. elec etc.. I have 3 random and monster arm hairs that grow on my shoulder ... they freak me OUT!! |
tabby
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Username: Tabby
Post Number: 311
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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Can anyone recommend a derm. for laser resurfacing for scar removal? I want to minimize the teenage years trauma left over on my face. I know I can't eliminate 100% but would be happy with 50% improvement. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3419
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Ladies, please forgive the intrusion of a man into your discussion, but I have some sincere advice:
Take a good look at the mirror and acknowledge that a blotch or zit or wrinkle in no way prevents you from being fabulous. Focus on the many good things about yourself as you go for a long, vigorous walk. Then replace the calories you have just burned off with a bowl of ice cream.
Dr. Notehead has spoken. |
tabby
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Username: Tabby
Post Number: 312
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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Thank you Notehead! In my opinion there should be more men with your outlook. Unfortunately the rest of the world does not share your thoughts. T
BTW, on a different topic, how is the great feline Ms. Ella? Did you ever get her a kitty companion? You can PL to me with the news.
Sorry girls, I have been meaning to ask Mr. (sorry, Dr. Notehead this for a while).
And now, back to our show.....
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14688
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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I would submit that most of us men actually do feel that way. Women are harder on yourselves than men are on you. If you were perfect, you'd be undesirable. A few scars, a little sagging, a few wrinkles shows you have been through the hard knocks to have gained some wisdom. That is the most fabulous thing of all. How many men ditch their wives because they don't look like they're 22 any more?
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tabby
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Username: Tabby
Post Number: 313
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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Hello Tom,
Thank you for your words of encouragement, but there are a good number of men who do go for the "trophy wife" or the young hottie.
I can't speak for my MOL sisters on this thread, but I know that for me taking care of some improvements on the outside would be a confidence booster.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14690
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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I'm aware of the phenomenon, but I don't believe it's common. When it happens, it's very noticeable. The divorce rate is about 50%, and the cause is rarely the woman's looks. If it's the stated cause, that's a symptom of other stuff going on.
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1776
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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I don't think that women necessarily try to improve their looks to get or keep their husbands. I think they do it so that they can keep up with how other women look. When I'm unhappy with a part of myself it's usually because I think every other woman in this world seems to be better than I am in that area. So, my butt is big because I see how thin everyone else is. My face is a disaster because I have blotches and other women don't. My roots are showing and I'm sure everyone on the subway is staring at me and wondering if I know how hideous I look.
I don't think it ever occurs to me that I would lose my husband because of any of those things. I just think I look like a big wart walking down the street and it makes me a little self-conscious... |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14692
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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Good point. So then the trick to "wanting what you have rather than having what you want" is to get out of the competitive rat race with your fellow women. If men love you, why can't women? Are men stupid because we're easy to please?
Are you saying women don't like big butts or gray hair? What a shame!
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1777
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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Oh - we don't want other women to love us because we're keeping our butts in fine shape - we want them to wish they had our butts. Unfortunately, we're all so busy putting ourselves down that even if there were other people out there envious of one of our "features", we would never notice it...
It is a bit sad to realize that it's almost unnatural if women aren't self-depreciating. Actually it's really sad. But I'm too old, wrinkled and gray to change my ways now.
I dream of moving to that distant island where gray hair and big butts rule the earth!!! |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3425
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:02 pm: |
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I don't think gray hair detracts any way whatsoever from a woman's appearance.
Do I think a tight little butt is more attractive than a big one? Yeah, but compared to a woman's self-confidence, mental acuity, personality, abilities, morality, attitude... it doesn't matter a bit. The terrible irony is that physical imperfections make people (men, too) lose their self-confidence, and being comfortable with yourself is probably one of the most important elements in being wholly attractive. |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2336
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Notehead's gray-haired, non-tight butted wife considers herself very lucky
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sac
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Username: Sac
Post Number: 3500
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:13 pm: |
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I'm too lazy for most of this ...
BUT, I do use an spf 15 facial moisturizer EVERY day of my life and have done so for 15 years or more. And, it's spf 15 or higher lotion on other exposed areas during those months that there are exposed areas. (Much higher at the pool or shore.) I started with Oil of Olay at about age 20 and added the spf version by about age 30.
This is primarily a health issue with me rather than vanity. I almost never even wear makeup. Many people tell me that I look younger than my age, though, so perhaps the moisturizer has contributed to that. |
LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:47 pm: |
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I must say that I have seen many attractive women who took the natural route and allowed their hair to turn gray/white/silver and it looks fantastic. I'm not ready to do that, but I applaud their decision. Actually gray hair isn't a huge problem for me now, it's the fact that I color my hair and the natural color shows in the roots because I don't get the color done as often as I should.
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Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2337
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:51 pm: |
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LilB
I have NOT gone the natural route myself. I think I am "too young". But Notehead encourages me to, so I know that when the time comes and I feel ready, he'll be supportive.
(He thinks it's "dumb" that I color my hair)
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1780
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
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I feel the same way Pippi - I feel that it's just too early in my life to let that happen. As long as I have the motivation to keep coloring, I will... My mom is in her mid 70s and is still coloring her hair. I had a great Aunt who died in her 90s and was dying her hair this electric red color right until the end! Perhaps I'll keep the crazy colors out of the mix and keep to something "respectable" for my age as I progress through life. Or...maybe not -- I do plan on getting spunkier with age. (Not sure when I'm going to start putting the "spunky" plan in place, but it's my fantasy plan for aging well...)
You are indeed very lucky to be married to Dr. Notehead. |
flugermongers
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Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 618
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 3:39 pm: |
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While I don't usually give in to any sort of normal "good looks" pressure, and while I appreciate Dr. N and Tom's individual POVs, and speaking for individual men, the truth is that this all stems down from the patriarchal society. So in fact, it is men putting these feelings there, and in fact, pinning women against each other. I'm speaking in broad terms, of course. I'm sure Notehead and Tom and many other men actually feel the way they're saying. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14697
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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True enough, but it's up to you to listen or ignore these messed up messages. But I don't mean to say men have no duty to stop promulgating them. That's big, too.
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flugermongers
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Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 622
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 12:10 am: |
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Tom, it isn't quite that concious a thing. I dissect it because I'm into it, I'm very into dissecting ideas and situation and human behaviour in life. I also mentioned before that I just took a women's studies course on this. If someone is anorexic, we, as society tend to make it her fault. I mean I would feel worse for a cancer victim, of course. But I think we don't 'fess up to the fact that someone doesn't just decide to have a disease. Now that's the extreme. Ingrained into every woman's head, at least in this society, is an amount of bullsh*t propaganda about how we should be. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 2227
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 12:13 am: |
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Of course, since I can weasel anything to be all about me, I am wondering if Tom R and/or Dr. Notehead have any single, like-minded, male friends? Two, in fact.
Your comments are enlightened, kind, and inspiring.
Incidentally, there is nothing wrong with Pippi's tush. I would trade for it in a heartbeat. |
flugermongers
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Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 623
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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Oh, Notehead:
"The terrible irony is that physical imperfections make people (men, too) lose their self-confidence, and being comfortable with yourself is probably one of the most important elements in being wholly attractive."
Beautiful. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 2229
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 12:17 am: |
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Poetry. Sheer poetry. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8031
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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Since I hit 40, it has been in my interest for people to think that I am about 10 years younger in the workplace.
I chose, a long time ago, not to go the route of upper managment; when I left my last managment job, it was a tremendous relief. I can't sit in meetings all day and do business plans and employee evals. So, this leaves me in the position of people looking at a "woman of my age and experience" and wondering why I am in a staff position. They make assumptions about my work ethic and drive (regardless of the fact that I am in the office just as long as the execs, never take lunch and stay in touch during vacations).
It is easier to color my hair, wear make-up, dress a bit more nicely and not discuss my background with colleagues at the same level.
At home, all bets are off.
BTW - I get some rather expensive "youth serum" type things at a great discount thru my company store. One of my mom's friends (a man approaching 70) treats me like his crack dealer; I get it for him several bottles at a time & he panics when he starts to run low. I know a few guys like that. So, it's not just women.
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Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2340
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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thanks, ess
and don't you worry, he's always on the lookout for single men for my single friends.
you know you're at the top of the list
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1785
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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My former Ear, Nose and Throat doctor branched out of the business of fixing deviated septums to marketing his nose jobs and botox services. When I went for (what ended up being my last) appointment about a medical issue, he casually asked if I'd be interested in botox. That was the last time I ever bothered with that loser.
It's one thing to do mass marketing to your patients to try to get some business and cross-sell your services, but I just think it's unprofessional to try to sell cosmetic procedures to people on an individual level who are seeking your care for actual medical issues. I feel he was trying to exploit an individual's vulnerabilities to try to sell botox and I found it a little creepy. And....I was only 34 at the time and he's pushing botox! I may have wrinkles, but they aren't so bad I should be told I need botox....geesh! |
sk8mom
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Username: Sk8mom
Post Number: 450
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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I'm not into extreme anti-aging remedies, getting down on myself because I don't look 35 anymore, grinding my mental gears mulling over the media and patriarchy, etc (when I could, for example, be watching fine quality television), or, especially, self-pity because I'm "getting old" (lots of people never made it this far; I'm one of the lucky ones). But personally, when I look in the mirror, my face gives me all kinds of information about my physical and mental condition. I like to look at it and think my skin looks clean, hydrated and protected from the sun. It makes me feel good. It's not any more profound or superficial than that. |
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