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Rastro
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Username: Rastro


Post Number: 3221
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 2:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave,

Is there any way to pull stats from Discus about our posting habits? I'm be interested, for example, how much time I waste by day of the week, or time of day. Or how many of my posts are directly after another poster.

Is any of that extractable from discus? Is it all just flat files?
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Dave
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Username: Dave


Post Number: 9591
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's worth looking into. Most of the content of posts is static, but some is held in a database.
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Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater


Post Number: 2124
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

May I suggest that you NOT do this. I can't honestly think of any better way to get me to stop posting on MOL. I can see the conversation with TS already. You were on MOL for 5.7 hours yesterday and you couldn't even put out the recycling!?!
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro


Post Number: 3223
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What I'd really like to know is how much my posting has increased in the past few weeks, and how much of it is in response to one or two specific posters. I find I'm getting sucked into conversations that I really don't care about, but I'm so addicted, I can't help myself. Plus, now that I get all the posts in four full sections emailed to me, I respond just because I can.

I really need that 12 step program people have been talking about.


Quote:

Internet Addiction: Real Problem or Much Ado about Nothing?

Last week, Reuters ran a story about the "growing problem of Internet addiction" that was picked up by CCN and other major news outlets. You can read that article here:
http://www.wxpnews.com/AXBRY0/060523-Internet_Addiction_Press

It quickly spawned follow-ups, such as AP's survey the next day showing that half of workers who use the Internet at work would rather give up their morning coffee than lose their Web surfing privileges. That one's at
http://www.wxpnews.com/AXBRY0/060523-AP_SurfAtWork

It's not a new issue; concerns over "Internet addiction" have been in the news intermittently since the early 90s, when commercial ISPs started offering access to the public at affordable prices. The spector of a generation hooked on getting their computer "fix" has been the subject of a few sci-fi books and movies.

"Addiction" is a popular buzzword these days: in addition to drug and alcohol addicts, we now have gambling addicts and sex addicts. Those who overeat are food addicts; those who spend too much money are shopping addicts, those who lose their tempers are anger addicts. Back in the olden days, before newspeak took over the language, addiction was a very real medical condition. People who are addicted to opiates or alcohol or nicotine or even caffeine go through measurable, painful, sometimes life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms.

Obsessive or compulsive behavior does not equal addiction. Simply engaging in an activity "too much" does not make one an addict. Yet we have doctors like the one quoted in the Reuters article - people who are supposed to be trained in the difference between physiological and psychological manifestations - saying that the Internet may promote "addictive behaviors."

Why the rush to label all undesirable behavior as a disease? My theory is that doing so benefits both doctor and "patient." If the person engaging in the behavior can pass it off as a disease or addiction, that relieves him/her of the responsibility for changing that behavior. The addict can't just quit cold turkey; that's too hard. He/she needs help. Enter the doctors who cater to these pseudo addicts. If it's a disease, their services are required - at a hefty price, of course. We all expect "healthcare" services to cost a bundle. And of course, if we can get it official recognized as a disease, maybe the insurance companies will pay for it.

I guess you can tell I'm not too impressed with the whole "Internet addiction" crisis. Sure, some people spend way too much time online. Some folks might say I'm one of them. I make my living writing, mostly for online publications, so I'm at the computer between six and ten hours a day. I have dozens of friends with whom I've been communicating online on a daily or weekly basis for over a decade, some of whom I still haven't ever met in person. Even for keeping in touch with my "real world" friends and family, most of the time I prefer to zap off an email rather than picking up the phone (and thus risking bothering someone in the middle of something).

But am I "addicted?" I don't think so. If I have to be in a place where there's no Internet access, I miss the convenience of being "connected" but I don't break out in sweats or get excruciating headaches or start to shake uncontrollably. Far from interfering with my "real life," the Internet has enabled me to participate more fully in it - I find out about community events and neighborhood meetings that I probably wouldn't attend otherwise, I obtain consulting gigs and speaking engagements. My cousins and I had drifted out of touch for years until everyone got Internet access; now we keep each other apprised of what's going on in our lives and coordinate, via email, monthly lunch get-togethers.

Sure, the Internet can be used for nefarious purposes, too. There are predators who hang out in chatrooms to look for victims. There are also predators who hang out in parks for that purpose. The CNN article implies that the Internet causes divorces. Doesn't it seem more likely that the people who engage in "online sexually compulsive behaviors" probably aren't/weren't models of marital fidelity offline, either? Ah, but it's so much more convenient to be able to protest that "the Internet made me do it."

The article paints a dire picture: sleep deprived addicts suffering from dry eyes and carpal tunnel syndrome who get "cybershakes," characterized by typing motions of the fingers when not at the computer. It's enough to make you want to go out and pass a Constitutional amendment enacting a new Prohibition, this one on Internet Service Providers. I can just imagine the black market that would spring up, with shifty-eyed techies standing on street corners, offering surreptitious connections to underground wireless networks for cash.

What the addiction proponents seem to ignore is the difference between addiction and habituation. Hanging out on the 'Net can become a habit that's hard to break. So can watching TV, playing the guitar, or talking on the phone. Are those addictions, too? Will we soon be seeing meetings of Unlimited Minutes Anonymous? Hmmm ... one might even those who feel compelled to label any and everything an addiction are Addiction addicts.

Tell me what you think. Am I way off base here? Am I just an Internet addict who's deep in denial? Or is the issue being hyped by both misguided helper types and those who stand to profit from turning excessive 'Net surfing into a dire disease? Do you know anyone who suffers from "cybershakes"? Do you get withdrawal symptoms if you're deprived of your monitor and keyboard? Is the Internet damaging your real world relationships, destroying your marriage, turning you into a compulsive cybersex fiend? Let us know your opinions at feedback@wxpnews.com.


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Dave
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Post Number: 9593
Registered: 4-1997


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

AGater, I hear you. I have no intention of going there. I'm more interested in the aspect who typically follows who when posting. Or graph what portion of a person's posts are in which topic.
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Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater


Post Number: 2126
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I don't want to see a chart that tells me that I'm in love with Tom Reingold and 77.3% of the time I post directly after SLicK, Grrrr... and Strawbunny.
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The Libertarian
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Username: Local_1_crew

Post Number: 2039
Registered: 3-2004


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i bet if tom reingolds name was put in, the program would explode from the extensive computations.
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Monster©
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Username: Monster


Post Number: 3330
Registered: 7-2002


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jesus christ (if you believe in that sort of thing), just take out the preference to get an email when someone replies to a thread, and get your up and walk away from the computer,



problem solved.
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Monster©
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Username: Monster


Post Number: 3331
Registered: 7-2002


Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Case
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Username: Case

Post Number: 1661
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd kind of like to get an email when the first message of a thread is posted... that's not a criticism of the board, it's just that I get flooded with the 'technology' thread sometimes.

You know what I would REALLY like... I mean, combine Christmas, my birthday and St. Patrick's day kind of thing.... I'd REALLY like to know which MOL aliases are actually 'secondary' aliases. I wouldn't even want to know who has the secondary usernames; I'd just love to know that a particular username belongs to someone else (i.e. an active poster) on the board.

OK, that's not true. What I'd REALLY like is a mapping of primary user and secondary user... that way we could ridicule them. But I'll take what I can get.

Actually... maybe we could run some kind of a blind auction. Dave could announce that there are 'n' secondary usernames in use right now, and auction off which user created them. (this may be naive, but I'm assuming that a simple IP address mapping would do this). This could be a huge revenue generator, now that I think of it.
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Joan
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Username: Joancrystal

Post Number: 7510
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Case:

The problem with your suggestion is that there are quite a few multi-poster households (some quite well known to most of us) whose household members may well be posting from the same computer. This, plus people posting from the library, work or some other source where several people could be using the same computer could skew the results.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider


Post Number: 14507
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 1:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Right. And when many people are using several different computers from behind a corporate firewall, the originating address will be that of the corporate firewall, making them appear to be using the same computer.

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