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davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 337
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 1:47 am: |     |
Hello all.
Devoted really-virtually-never-used-a-darkside-box-in-my-life Mac user here.
Since upgrading from Panther to Tiger on my 1.33 GhZ G4 Powerbook, once the system's fan goes on it won't go off, meaning it doesn't cycle, it just stays on and drives me insane!
I have done a web search and learned that some people solved the issue by resetting the Power Management Unit, however this has not worked in my case.
Eventually I will go to the Apple Store and consult an official genius but I am trying to avoid that step if possible.
Anybody got any other ideas?
Compute well and be well, all.
David |
monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 1157
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 4:22 am: | |
How big is your HD, and how much data do you have on it?
A lot of times this is caused by Spotlight indexing your drive, I've heard of it taking up to an entire day or so to complete. Dashboard can also take up some serious CPU action.
Have you tried deleting your caches, and how many times have you rebooted?
Have you ran the TOP command in the Terminal to see what may be using so much processing power (have you taken a look with Activity Monitor)?
Is this an upgrade or a clean install, if it is an upgrade have you ever had Virex on your Powerbook?
If you have, try going here, http://tinyurl.com/e3m6t and downloading an uninstaller for Virex.
After running the uninstaller, reboot, how's your fan running now?
Have you tried going into system prefs > Spotlight, and setting the HD for privacy so that it won't be indexed?
Is your Powerbook plugged in all the time, does this issue occur when unplugged as well as plugged in, when plugged in does it occur with the battery removed?
Do you have anything plugged into the Powerbook, like scanners, etc.?
Have you tried deleting the Power Management Prefs, and have you booted into single user mode and ran a file system check and repair?
If not, try this,
1. Restart your Mac in Single User Mode by holding the command-s keys
after the chime sounds until you see text scroll down the display. When
you see the "localhost:/ root#" hash, you're ready to go. If not,
reboot and try again.
2. type "/sbin/fsck -f" to perform a file system check and repair, for
good karma.
3. type "/sbin/mount -uw /" to mount the volume on your hard drive.
4. type "cd /private/var/db/SystemConfiguration/" to enter the folder
where the preference lives.
5. type "rm .com.apple.PowerManagement.xml" to delete the preference
settings.
6. type "ls" to confirm the file is gone.
7. Type reboot, press enter
the file will be recreated as the Powerbook boots up.
How is it now?
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davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 338
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:44 am: | |
Monster:
Many thanks, man!!
I will do these things and report back.
Be well,
David |
davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 346
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 3, 2005 - 9:31 pm: | |
Monster:
1. 80Gb, Formatted, 74.1 Gb; +/- 21Gb free.
2. Could be Spotlight but wouldn't that only be the initial indexing?; had Tiger a month or more, shouldn't still be a problem, should it?
3. Which caches and how? I use MacJanitor. Rebooted at least 5 times.
4. I'm sort of afraid of Terminal as I'm not real tech smart...I'd do it if I knew how and what to look for.
5. Upgrade and yes, have Virex, 7.5, I believe. The uninstaller links you so nicely posted are broken.
6. I really do want the HD indexed, if there's another way around this...
7. Fan problem and varied weirdness occurs w/ any and all combo of battery/AC.
8. Nothing else plugged in.
9. I did the single user mode thing but when I got to
cd /private/var/db/SystemConfiguration/ it said "no such file".
I am a legit Tiger user, paid up and everything--I've posted asking to borrow Tiger Disks, tomorrow, Sunday because my disks are at my office in the city and I want to do an erase and install if I can't fix this any other way. I'm sick in bed and hope to use the downtime well before the start of the work week.
Again, many thanks---any suggestions will be tried faithfully!
Be well and compute well, all.
David
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monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 12:46 am: | |
Be well and compute well, I like that.
David, in Terminal just type the single command "top" and then press enter, you will be presented with a running list of active processes, the same can be seen by using "Activity Monitor" located in the Utility folder inside the Applications folder.
Macjanitor should work fine for removing caches.
Have you left Spotlight running for a day or more, meaning have you left your Powerbook on, set the prefs so it doesn't sleep (display turning off is fine, but don't let the HD sleep), and don't close the Powerbook.
If you have done the above then it probably isn't an issue with Spotlight.
It's not bad thing to be indexed, it just may take some time, even if you don't have much on your drive, it could be that their is just a glitch that is taking awhile to overcome, and if you interrupt this process it may have to start all over again.
I just put a couple of Virex uninstall apps on my .Mac site for you, try the links below.
Virex 7.7, http://homepage.mac.com/jocnsoc/Virex7.7_Uninstaller.zip
Virex 7.6, http://homepage.mac.com/jocnsoc/Virex7.6_Uninstaller.zip
Virex 7.5, http://homepage.mac.com/jocnsoc/Virex7.5_Uninstaller.zip
If I had Tiger yet, I would be over. I need to take my iBook in sometime and have my backlight or reed switch looked at, maybe I'll do it tomorrow and get Tiger with another problem. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 205
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 9:48 am: | |
Gosh, I had heard that the Mac never, ever, ever has any problems! Unlike the "dark side" boxes that no one can seem to make work, it was my understanding (thanks to MOL!) that the Mac was the perfect computer!
I'm also shocked to learn that you actually need to perform maintenance on the Mac... again, reading MOL I had assumed all you needed to do was burn some incense and chant a bit in order to fix problems... unlike those 'dark side' computers that might make you go through some arcane command sequences:
1. Restart your Mac in Single User Mode by holding the command-s keys
after the chime sounds until you see text scroll down the display. When
you see the "localhost:/ root#" hash, you're ready to go. If not,
reboot and try again.
2. type "/sbin/fsck -f" to perform a file system check and repair, for
good karma.
3. type "/sbin/mount -uw /" to mount the volume on your hard drive.
4. type "cd /private/var/db/SystemConfiguration/" to enter the folder
where the preference lives.
5. type "rm .com.apple.PowerManagement.xml" to delete the preference
settings.
6. type "ls" to confirm the file is gone.
7. Type reboot, press enter
the file will be recreated as the Powerbook boots up.
Heh heh heh heh.... Mac people and OS problems - its like watching two monkeys trying to F a football.
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davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 349
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 2:09 pm: | |
Monster:
Virex was apparently the culprit. When I deleted it using your link, fan stopped. Muchas gracias...
I'll keep you posted--btw, how's your backlight and what's a reed switch?
Be well,
David |
davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 350
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 2:43 pm: | |
Case:
I see your posts and you seem like a regular, local, give and get advice/help normal MOL guy...
So why the bad vibe here? I feel a sense of anger/meanness that I wouldn't have expected. It's a normal ask advice, get advice situation with a normal good MOL outcome, as you can see above.
I know that some Macolytes can be annoyingly holier-than-thou--I try not to be so but even though it is true that people who "do both" generally report fewer problems with macs, it doesn't mean "never" OS problems, just fewer and less destabilizing, usually.
Anyway, we'll just assume that you had a bad day and that you don't really have any video of "two monkeys trying to F a football" to compare us to...;-D
Compute well and be well, all.
David |
monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 1243
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 10:03 pm: | |
Glad to here it worked David, 2 monkeys fscking a football, Case must have some perverse pleasures he hasn't let on to on this board :D
I took my iBook into the Apple Store today and of course the problem wasn't reproducible at that time, Apple also somehow screwed up my Applecare and is saying that the iBook isn't covered, but they sent it in to get looked at under a customer satisfactin order (meanng I sstill don't have to pay).
Now I have to call Apple up on Tuesday to get this straightened out, my original iBook had been stolen when I sent it to Apple for a repair, so I had to buy Applecare again for this one (at a pro-rated rate considering what happened). They were supposed to fix this once before so that my Applecare reflects to the iBook they replaced my old one with, but it doesn't seem to have been done. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 213
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 5, 2005 - 4:57 pm: | |
Frankly, the Mac people seem to consider themselves far above the "dark side" computer users... and they proclaim their self-induced delusion very publicly on a regular basis.
So why not take the chance to let some air out of those over-inflated heads? ;)
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monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 1247
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 5, 2005 - 7:15 pm: | |
Some of these Mac users happen to work with the Dark Side on a continuous basis, but lean towards the Lighter side of all that is Mac.
Okay, I may espouse my belief that the Mac is better, but I don't go around trying to shove it down peoples throats (well at least most of the time), when I do it's usually all in good fun.
My head has too many holes in it to get overinflated, and enough rocks to hold it down if it does.
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davidbuckley
Citizen
Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 361
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 11:20 pm: | |
Case:
Must say, continued uncharitable meanness. "the Mac people seem to consider themselves far above the "dark side" computer users... " Bit of a generalization, no?
You like your pc, enjoy it; I don't tell (sometimes suggest in a PLEASANT way) anyone what kind of computer or, for that matter, toothbrush or blender to use. I certainly wouldn't generalize about pc users the way you have about Mac users.
Monster and I engaged in what this board is great for, one person helping another, you yourself have benefited from this dynamic and have also helped others. Poking gentle fun is different from meanness; the former is fine, the latter decidedly not so.
Be well, all.
David |
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