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sac
Supporter
Username: Sac
Post Number: 2890
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 8, 2005 - 11:22 am: |     |
I was almost taken in today by a "Phishing" email which seemed legitimate at first. I forwarded it to the PayPal fraud reporting line and they confirmed that it was not legitimate. It has a subject line "Verify your Paypal Account" and appears to come from an email address of "Account Service" <service@paypal.com>. The emailed link included www.paypal.com, but when it started asking for very detailed credit card and bank information (especially the ATM Pin number), I knew that it wasn't right.
Just thought I'd pass it along, since others might be similarly duped.
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Ligeti
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 476
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 6:25 am: | |
This gag has been going on for awhile; completely bogus. I told eBay I'm suspending their selling privileges to me until they get this under control or ditch PayPal altogether. Unfortunately, you'll probably be getting a few of these per day. The Internet is just what crooks have been waiting for.
Low-tech is the way to go. Call up these outfits on the phone when you want to purchase something. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11231
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 7:59 am: | |
Ligeti, you don't really think ebay has the ability to control others, do you?
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Eric
Citizen
Username: Ericactive
Post Number: 75
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 10:13 am: | |
One of the most convincing fishing emails I've been getting copies ebay's "questions to seller' email. It asks how much is shipping or another simple question. I was selling some items on ebay at the time so at first I thought it was real. Of course when you click on it it takes you to a url that is clearly not ebay and asks you to log in which is not how the ebay system works. If you weren't paying attention and not that familiar with ebay they could easily get caught by this one.
Ligeti - Sure, you can go off-line with some of the bigger etailers and buy from them (some even prefer it so they don't have to pay ebay's fees) but do you actually call individual people and ask to purchase their items? I sure don't want you calling me. Nothing personal but I want you to bid on my item so that I can get the best price.
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Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 55
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 10:50 am: | |
I went through a similar experience last year - traced the email back to an ISP in Hong Kong. Sent an email to Ebay & the ISP to apprise them of the situation. The bottom line is never reveal any personal informtion to anyone via email ; unless you've initiated the communications with the commercial partner. |
Ligeti
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 477
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 2:39 pm: | |
No, but I never had this problem until I startd buying stuff through eBay. Why can't they come up with another payment system that does not inflict spoofing and fishing on their customers?
I still believe, in general, there is less potential for fraud when ordering by telephone vs. the Internet.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11237
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 2:53 pm: | |
I won't make a claim about which sort of ordering is safer, but how does ebay's payment system inflict spoofing and phishing? Is it any different from online banking? I get phishing messages that claim to be from my bank and credit card company.
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Ligeti
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 478
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 4:06 pm: | |
For every one I get from my bank or amazon, seems like I get 10 directly related to my association with eBay.
Another problem: I assume ANY email I get with eBay or PayPal in the subject is bogus. If eBay sends me a real email, it is trashed immediately.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11241
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 4:07 pm: | |
That is because they're a bigger target. Or their customers are easier prey. They're not doing anything differently from the others.
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Ligeti
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 479
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 4:39 pm: | |
Tom, let's just abandon the Internet altogether. I'm really out of patience with this stuff.
No one even bothered to complement me on my new graphic. |
sac
Supporter
Username: Sac
Post Number: 2898
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 9, 2005 - 7:43 pm: | |
I am more comfortable with giving my credit card number to a secure website than to a minimum wage clerk (who may be in India, for all I know), but maybe that's just me. It is obvious that I do have to be careful about this phishing business, however. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3331
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 8:24 am: | |
How can you trace an ISP address? Is there a website similar to 'WhoIs?' where you can do this? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11243
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 8:28 am: | |
You can try tracert (in Windows). It shows the path from your computer to the other one. The names of the routers (relays) along the way can give you a clue but are not a guarantee.
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Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 855
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 2:14 pm: | |
Let's not rush past the idea of abandoning the Internet. If we all agree to do it together (wink wink) then I think its a great idea. |
Ligeti
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 481
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 4:59 pm: | |
Based on some very reliable reports I have been getting from the field, scrapping the Internet is an idea that seems to be gaining momentum. These reports are coming from some highly placed technology insiders that advise me on a regular basis.
This is not a joke, unlike some of my other posts. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 856
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 8:39 pm: | |
Seems reasonable to me - after all, who really uses the Internet for anything? These technology experts must be VERY highly placed if they're 'advising' you... gosh, its almost like the President's advisors, huh?
I wonder if the highly-placed technology insiders are also hot women? Damn... its amazing how much roomy it is inside someone's head - who knew all these people could live there? I guess made-up people take up a lot less room than real people.  |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 861
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 11:10 am: | |
Oh, JTA -
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jhtml |
optimyst
Citizen
Username: Optimyst
Post Number: 129
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 9:06 pm: | |
Forward any suspicious email to spoof@ebay.com or spoof@paypal.com and they will send you a letter letting you know if the mail was sent by them or not.
It is their way of collecting info on the Phish-mailers. |
sac
Supporter
Username: Sac
Post Number: 2901
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 9:25 pm: | |
I just got another one today and had sent it to the spoof@paypal.com address (as I had done with the first one.) This one was also very legitimate looking. It seems that the phisher/scammer folks are getting much better about their grammar. |
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