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Posted on Sunday, January 8, 2006 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.tombridge.com/rta/2006/01/understanding_m.html


As explained by Tom Bridge

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Understanding Mac Geeks: The Week Before Keynote

This is the first of an occasional series that tries to explain just why it is Mac Geeks are like we are. I know that some people Just Don't Get people like us, but I figure if you're trying to understand a certain Mac person in your life, this might be a place to start.

This week, Mac Geeks everywhere are oscillating ever so slightly. It's as if the implanted navigational chip in our aqua-hued brain has activated and we're awaiting instructions.

Okay, so it's not like that.

But we know something is coming. Steve is coming. We've read on various Mac Websites that something's about to Happen™. This year, it's most likely the switch to the Intel CoreDuo architecture, iLife '06 and something else that many people are surmising to be a home entertainment Mac.

What CES is to many other electronics geeks, Macworld San Francisco is to Mac Geeks. It's the show where Apple announces new gear in a flashy keynote with Steve Jobs telling us about Apple's Health, what they've been up to, and what we can look forward to. Generally it works something like this. In a darkened theatre at the Moscone Center, popular music will play while the masses assemble. Usually the masses work out to something like 8,000 people, all excited, all having paid upwards of $600 for their ticket. There's also a conference that happens that week, so most folks aren't just going to the keynote, they're going to the workshops and seminars and hands-on labs as well, so it's not as big of a waste of money as you just thought it was.

The lights on the stage come up, Steve Jobs comes out in jeans and a black turtleneck, and greets the assembled faithful. He's usually in some state of unshaven, which just makes him look like he forgot to get new razor blades. This is cool to everyone in the audience. Remember, Steve is our hero. He makes geek into chic.

There's a section on the health of Apple, how many iPods and Macs they sold, what the trend's looking like, where the OS is going, and some other basic data about the company. This is to remind people that Apple is A) doing really well and B) not going anywhere anytime soon.

Think of this as the opening hymn and greeting in Church. At the Vatican. With the Pope himself presiding.

Now that Steve's got the audience warmed up, it's time to launch into the new things that Apple has coming. This will include software first, and new hardware second. This is like the readings from the Old Testament, and the New Testament. Steve will invite some outside companies and some inside staff to testify demonstrate the new technologies and hardware items. The audience will pay rapt attention, laugh at Steve's jokes, ooh and aah. There may even be some shouting of "Amen," and "Preach it, brother." This is what we've been waiting for.

So, Steve will go on and tell us why it is that these new things are wonderful, how well they compare to other products, and then also what they will set us back. The former makes the latter palatable. Everyone in the room will create a reason why the new prices are A) acceptable and B) worth taking out a second mortgage or a home equity line of credit. It's not that we're brainwashed, it's just that the pitch is so good. Steve could sell rollerskates to velociraptors. It's what he does. Generally, though, he's on the ball. He wouldn't do this if he didn't believe it himself. It's why Apple is still here.

Apple makes technology cool. They make computing cool. This is why they hold such high esteem with many geeks. They make what we do into something that can get us laid. I realize this is trite, I realize this is clichéd, but it's also true. Windows guys are boring. I'm sorry Scoble, you just are. You try to think you're cool, by pointing out all our flaws, about how you're so much better than we are, about how you're in more places, and doing more things. But really, all it does is make you look bad, and us look oppressed and "dangerous" to the womenfolk.

Girls love Rebels. Steve Jobs could have so many many many more chicks than Bill. This is our version of Our God Can Kick Your God's . Side note: Apple launches the iTMS with Bono and U2. Bill launches "Urge" with post-Janet post-Britney Justin Timberlake. JT may get nominated for Grammies, but Bono gets nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

At the end of the Keynote, Steve gives the blessing, er, I mean, thanks us for coming and sets us loose on the show floor, where everyone spends at least an hour coveting everything in the Apple booth and listening to various pitches from various other Mac-minded software and hardware purveyors. It's a great day. It's a great week. And sadly, this year, I can't go. I will instead stay at my office computer, refreshing Safari like a madman on the homepage of the news sites that will cover the event for those of us who won't be there. And that's why many Mac users will be sad this weekend. So, hug your Mac Geek if they can't be there. They'll feel like they're missing something.

[Update] How could I forget the Sacred Idiom™?! Steve usually closes his Keynote with a section devoted to "...and one more thing..." which usually is a surprise for the Mac faithful, sometimes an iSight camera, sometimes it's Keynote (the software) itself. This is usually the climax of the event, leading to applause and shouts from the audience. And it's also another thing that Bill could never carry.





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TarPit Coder
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Posted on Monday, January 9, 2006 - 6:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Better preface this:

<personal_opinion_hackeresque_rant>

I've never quite Grok'd the Steve Jobs fascination - and I've been into computers in a serious way for a while now - as a kid who started out on an Ohio Scientific Challenger 1P with 8k of RAM (In 16 chips!) which required using a soldering iron to expand it - and assembly language programming to patch the system. Steve Jobs never did anything for me. Now Steve Wozniak is another thing entirely. He was an amazingly skilled engineer, and a really *good* guy. His 6502 code he wrote for the original Apple was a real insight to read.

The one thing Steve Jobs did that impressed me was pushing out new technology - but he often made really poor usability decisions based on his own weird hype. I mean everyone *KNEW* that the original NeXT machine needed a hard-drive. The MO drive was just too slow - cool but SLOW. He didn't throw an HD in - instead they shipped a machine that couldn't run the OS properly and tried to cover it with hype.

The PowerPC is more powerful than x86 is another sad example of that thinking. The PowerPC is a fine architecture - but the marketing hype just wasnt true and now they are switching to x86.

I mean what's the deal? I view what Steve Jobs says critically - just like Scott O'Nealy and Steve Balmer, and anybody trying to convince you that a product is the 'Next Big Thing(TM)'.

I guess there's geeks and then there's hackers. A hacker is coding up a tail-recursive optimization in their LISP interpreter in the $7 microcontroller infront of them. The real-hacker is easy to impress - show them the technical details of something that's been done. They'll figure it out and let you know if it deserves to stand on its own. If it does they'll say it's cool even when everyone else is running for the next piece of hyped up stuff. Twenty years later they'll still say 'Yeah that was pretty cool'.

</personal_opinion_hackeresque_rant>

Ok I better drink more coffee. The above post is not meant to offend anyone - feel free to explain what I'm missing.

--Tarp
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monster
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Posted on Monday, January 9, 2006 - 7:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good take, Wozniak was like a god in the computer creationist business, Jobs just had the ability to make people excited with his visions, and for some reason, buy into them and follow them (apparently he liked to take other peoples ideas in the early days and then come back a few days later and announce them like he just thought of them himself).
Now Jobs marketing savvy is where he excels, and he seems to have gotten better at it as he has aged, and I think he just loves to bask in his own glow.
Now the Woz is just cool without having to try...



TarPit, have you paid a visit to http://www.folklore.org/index.py
It's a pretty good read, I spent a couple of hours there the other night when someone pointed me that way.


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Folklore.org is a web site devoted to collective historical storytelling. It captures and presents sets of related stories that describe interesting events from multiple perspectives, allowing groups of people to recount their shared history in the form of interlinked anecdotes.

The site is structured as a series of projects containing related, interlinked stories. The stories are indexed by their characters and the topics they cover, and may be sorted by various criteria. Readers can rate the stories, and add comments, or other stories.
Folklore is still incomplete, and undergoing active development. There may be more than the usual amount of bugs, especially if you catch it on a bad day. Please report any problems that you encounter to bugs@folklore.org.

Currently, the Folklore site only supports a single project, about the development of the original Macintosh, but that will be changing soon.

Reality is subjective, and memory is shaped by both prior and subsequent experience, so two witnesses of the same incident may disagree about what transpired. Often participants have axes to grind, and they sometimes distort events to suit their needs, perhaps without even realizing it. The best way to see an event clearly is to view it from multiple perspectives.

The Folklore site allows anyone with an opinion to comment on a story, or to submit a story of their own. This should allow the truth to emerge more clearly through the intersection of multiple perspectives. Project editors are responsible for providing default views that eliminate irrelevant or offensive posts, but it's possible for the curious reader to see everything if they want.

Folklore uses lots of relatively short anecdotes rather than a longer, monolithic narrative because anecdotes are inherently modular and extensible, so the story can be elaborated indefinitely by multiple authors, without compromising their individual voices. Interlinked anecdotes also leverage the definitive characteristic of the web, the link, to form little webs of their own, and be stitched into the greater tapestry of the web itself, in a fashion that's not possible on the printed page.

Folklore maintains an RSS feed for tracking the latest stories. The url for the feed is http://www.folklore.org/folklore.xml.

The code behind the Folklore website is a set of CGI scripts written in Python by Andy Hertzfeld. The Folklore scripts are free software, and will be licensed under the GPL, so anyone can use and modify them. Susan Kare helped with lots of images and the overall look of the site.

It seems appropriate to use the web to document the development of computing technologies. Most of the principals involved are still alive and kicking, so it's possible to collect first person accounts from the people involved, if they're willing. I decided to get the ball rolling by using the most important event that I played a part in - the development of Apple's original Macintosh computer - as the subject of the first set of Folklore stories. I hope they are as much fun to read as they were to write.



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Posted on Monday, January 9, 2006 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually, Jobs was always more than just a pitch guy. He knew the user interface was more important than the chips inside (not that the inside didn't matter, just that it wasn't going to add as much value as design).

“Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.”

“Design is the fundamental soul of a human-made creation that ends up expressing itself in successive outer layers of the product or service.”

-Steve Jobs
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Tom Reingold
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I guess it's a matter of taste. I'm not in awe of Jobs, but I find him a heck of a lot more palatable than Gates. I could how either of them could make you spit, though.

For a real technology visionary, see a talk (or read an article) by Bill Joy, founder of Sun.
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The folklore site Monster mentioned is really interesting. It's a great read. Jobs was definately into synergistic design for the mac. Agree whole-heartedly about Bill Joy. vi, tcp/ip and bsd... His 'why the future doesn't need us' thoughts make you think too.

--Tarp
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Way back when, I sent a copy of Bill Joy's "Why the future doesn't need us" to a college professor relative of mine. He teaches freshman English and Joy's paper is required reading (the dude is into technology also) for his class.

Getting back to the Mac: In high school, I programmed polar equations on the Apple IIe, 64k (I believe) with dual 5 1/4”, 360k, single density floppy drives. Don't ask me how, because I don't remember a darn thing. I also programmed on the Commodore P.E.T., and the TI’s TRS 80. At home, I used the mega-powerful Commodore Vic-20, $99 from Toys R Us.


PS I wasted many an afternoon playing Burger Time, Taipan, and Lode Runner on those IIes. Ah, those were the care-free days.

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I'm sure you meant Radio Shack's TRS-80, aka Trash-80. I had a model III in college. It had 48 K of RAM. It booted off floppy (180K) in about 10 seconds.
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It's great thinking about first machines :-)

My string of 'early' machines went:

Very first machine programmed was a HUG1802 - an 1802 based machine with a hex keypad - Looking at the 1802 architecture now it seems really quite cool - 16 registers! Plus the 1802 is in the furthest man made probes (Voyagers 1 & 2).

First machine we owned was an Ohio Scientific Challenger 1P - 8K RAM, Cassette. My Dad was a ham and the C1P was all metal and very quiet in terms of RF. It also was a favorite machine for adding stuff to it. So we added joysticks (for me as a kid of course), and then added 24K of ram (2114 chips again - 48 of them), and a couple of panasonic disk drives. This meant we had to build a data separator - as neither the drive or interface had one. We also had to patch the OS65D DOS to slow down the stepper motors. OSI used MPI drives and the stepper motor was really fast on them. The C1P had 32x32 character mapped graphics - of which 24x24 was visible (overscan). So we populated the RS-232 pretty much first off and got hold of a Leir Siegler ADM-1A terminal. It was an 80x24 beast all uppercase. For a printer it was a Decwriter printing terminal - The big beast you usually saw on a PDP11 or VAX11.

Most fun I've ever had was that machine - Having to program all sorts of things on it.

Next machine was a Hitachi Peach MB-6890. A nice 6809 system with 640x200 graphics.

Of course I lusted after an Atari (Graphics!) so I finally picked up an Atari 800XL and wrote piles of graphics hacks and had fun programming that for years (Still have it in mums garage in NZ) and have an Atari 800 here in the States.

After the Atari I really *wanted* to go for an Amiga but as luck would have it felt like I needed a serious machine and ended up going for a 286 with Super VGA. I have lots of fond memories of that machine too - 40 MB! HDD, Super VGA (Mind boggling) and Fractint! Turbo Pascal and Turbo C were amazing. Wrote lots of stuff in Turbo Pascal. I remember I had written a program to display graphically in 3D the gravity around a black hole. It took half an hour to run in 80x192 16 colors on the atari in Turbo Basic XL. It ran in about 10 seconds on the 286 in Turbo Pascal at 1024x768x256.

I kinda wish I had gone the Amiga route. The Amiga was much cooler in lots of respects. Someday I'll pick up an Amiga and have a go programming the display chips. Jay Miner designed the Amiga graphics chipsets and if you are familiar with the Atari 800 graphics chipset you can see where he was going.

Lots of other cool machines existed too -- The Archimedes by Acorn is one of them.

Somewhere along the way 'modern' machines lost lots of the fun and became commodity devices to me. I guess I am still hanging out for a 16 transputer based beast with a fast interprocessor interconnect and groovy concurrency stuff like Occam. The monoculture that exists now is pretty sad - Doesn't mean I don't keep up with it - but it was way more fun reading about new machines coming out that were different in some respect.

One thing I'll say is that I did use some Wang systems and the displays and keyboards on those things were amazing. Sad to see them go. The VS we had at the tech I went to ended up going to the landfill. A perfectly good machine but nobody wanted it - and I couldn't justify yet another beastie.

Did anyone here fiddle with any weird interesting machines?

--Tarp
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,

I belive TI manufactured the TRS 80 and RS sold it. I may be mistaken, but that is what I remember (I was in high school, so, some of my memories are a little fuzzy).

[My earlier post stated "360k, single density." It was actually 360k, double density. Not that that matters now.

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I rememer my old Apple ][+. 32k of RAM (bought additonal 16k, then a 16 addin board to bring itup to a whoping 64k). But I'm not sure if the 6802 processor could actually use all 64k.

Started with Applesoft (Apple BASIC), then got a CPM card. Had Visicalc and a bunch of games. In fact, back then magazines had code listings for all kinds of programs, from games to databases.

Ah, the good old days...
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Ok, the keynote is over, so what did we get?

A couple of rather low gigahertz PC's with an apple logo, OS X and a price tag that is twice what you would pay for the equivalent GHz PC.

One new iPod accessory, and a software update to iLife.

Guess things are starting to slow down there in Jobs land.

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Rastro:

The 6502 can address 64K. (The 6802 could too - that was an enhanced 6800 - which had the big advantage over the 6502 of a 16 bit index register!) - You can bet money that if you could use all that ram it was via bank-switching.

You need at least 6 bytes right up the top around 0xFFFA -> 0xFFFF for the NMI,RST, and IRQ vectors (each is a 16 bit address 'Word' in 6502 vernacular). The second link has an interesting comparison of # of clock cycles / t-states some older CPU's require before servicing an interrupt. The 6502 does pretty well (Not much state to save).

http://home.wanadoo.nl/hhaydn/6502_pin.html
http://www.6502.org/tutorials/interrupts.html#2.1
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"Ok, the keynote is over, so what did we get?

A couple of rather low gigahertz PC's with an apple logo, OS X and a price tag that is twice what you would pay for the equivalent GHz PC."


Are you joking around? or are you serious... it is hard to tell with he smiley at the bottom.

In any case,
The iMac with 1.8 Ghz Dual Core, 160 GB hard drive, Superdrive, ATI radeon x1600 graphics, a built in wireless card, and iSight is well worth the price of $1300...

I can not name a PC that can touch that... and no viruses or spyware is always a plus.

The Macbook is expensive, but a better deal than the comparable Powerbook. Dell only sells one Laptop with the Core Duo chip right now, and it will cost you at least $600 more than the macbook.
(althought it is a 17" screen)
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That price isnt too bad. I ran some quick numbers and I reckon it's pretty reasonable.

I'd love to see some STREAM numbers from it.

--Tarp

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