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homeowner
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Username: Nancys60
Post Number: 76
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 10:26 am: | 
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we loved Sonny's bagels--classic chewy, not too soft, not too big, not too sweet. Now that they're gone, where to get the best? Will travel to Livingston or West Orange.
Find bagels in SO and Maplewood not our favs. Need other ideas please. |
Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 4098
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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Croissant City......  |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2032
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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Spatula City?
I haven't eaten a bagel since Sonny's closed. I have no desire anymore.
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Boomie
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Username: Boomie
Post Number: 434
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Bagels for U on Morris Ave in Springfield. |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 2305
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 6:02 pm: |
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I love the bagels at TARA'S on Valley. |
newone
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Username: Newone
Post Number: 427
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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Super Duper Bagel off of Livingston Ave. in Livingston.
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BGS
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Username: Bgs
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 6:58 am: |
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I will second Bagels 4 U- dislike the name but they do make the bagels there and although I will always miss Sonny's and Watson's- this are pretty decent substitutes.... |
Sherri De Rose
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Username: Honeydo
Post Number: 381
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 7:36 am: |
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Why is no one recommending the bagel place on S.O. Ave near the Dunkin Donuts (Bagels Round the World or something like that?). Surely, someone has gotten bagels there. Actually the best bagels are from Brooklyn. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3754
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 8:55 am: |
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Because the Bagels at the Bagel place near DD aren't bagels at all, just big doughy, airy things with a hole in the middle |
connied76
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Username: Connied76
Post Number: 51
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 10:59 am: |
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I think the Hot Bagels Abroad bagels (near Dunkin Donuts) are the best bagels in the areaa and among the best I have ever had and I grew up on Long Island - the bagel capital of the world! I have also has two different relatives from LOng Island and from Brooklyn, who love those bagels so much they take them home with them when they come. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4069
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4070
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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Locally, maybe you might try Livingston Bagel, on Northfield Rd.... It's a great place for lunch, and they have the best Cheddar Burger I've had in the county. They also feature a flattened bagelistic item with more surface area for schmering stuff on it. It's called a Flagel.
BTW: http://www.handhbagel.com/Home_page.htm
-s. |
connied76
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Username: Connied76
Post Number: 53
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 1:27 pm: |
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And you know nothing about treating others with respect and courtesy. If everyone liked the same thing, what a boring world it would be. I have been eating bagels for 30 years and, other than one place in Brooklyn, I like Hot Bagels Abroad the best of any I have ever had. I haven't tasted those from H&H so I can't comment on them. And, while I surely know what a bialy is, bialy knowledge certainly doesn't make any of the other opinions less or more valid. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3756
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 1:39 pm: |
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Now Now no righting. Everyone has different tastes and they can/should be acommodated.
HOWEVER, in terms of authenticity, Hot Bagels Abroad are "not' bagels per the defination. You may like them, even love them but they ain't bagels from the old country/
Boiled then baked, crispy crust and chewy interior doesn't describe HBA but my oh my was Sonny's good. Best in the east cept H&H of course located on the UWS AND Hell's Kitchen. Something about that New York water.
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 2212
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 1:46 pm: |
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Ess-A-Bagel on 20th and 1st in Manhattan. Best bagels hands down.
Locally, I think the Bagels-4-U on Morris Ave do the trick (nothing like Ess-A, but it will have to do) |
teach75
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Username: Teach75
Post Number: 53
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 2:23 pm: |
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there is also a bagels 4 U on Northfield Ave in Livingston. I don't know the name of the place, but if you make a right onto Livingston Ave from Northfield and make a left into the first strip mall, there is a bagel place in the back that reminds me more of Sonny's than any other place. It is closed on Saturdays for religious observances. |
MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4502
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 2:46 pm: |
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I agree with LL. The place next to Dunkin Donuts sells ROLLS with holes in them, not bagels.
Teach - the place you are thinking of is Super Duper Bagel.
Now...not trying for thread drift (because this is a relevant question), but what is the best local place to get "appetizing" to go with your bagels (lox, whitefish salad, baked salmon, herring, etc etc)?? |
connied76
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Username: Connied76
Post Number: 54
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 3:21 pm: |
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Agree with whomever you like but to be rude and completely discount an opinion because it is different from yours is inappropriate. Telling someone they know nothing is rude. I know what I like and I like those bagels better than all others I have tried in the area. It is always crowded so many people must agree with me. There are many restaurant preferences posted here that make me want to laugh out loud- I have tried the said restaurant and thought it was terrible or overpriced or both. I find some suggestions for books, movies, etc. abolutely silly. However, I wouldn't tell another person "they know nothing" simply because I disagreed with their opinions. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2050
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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MHD, do you mean appetizing like sausage egg and cheese on a bagel? I ask because you said appetizing and the fishes you mentioned are yucky. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4073
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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Sorry if (as I so often do) I sounded rude &/or harsh, Connied76, but the fact is that there are bagels made in what LL describes as the "Old Country" way, and lame doughy imitations sold by many establishments such as HBA.
Sonny's is/was the sole outlet in South Orange for authentic bagels made by the time-tested "boil/bake" method...
I appreciate that you have developed an understandable tolerance for what bagel cognicenti generally regard as Inferior Product, based on never having been exposed to the Good Stuff (my sympathies,BTW), but I must again state with confidence that while you are undoubtedly a lovely person, and may know a great deal about many things, bagels ain't one of 'em.
MHD: Check out the above-mentioned Livingston Bagel. It's not ZABAR's, but now that Tabachnik's is gone, it's easily one of the top two places in the area for "Appy".
Mayor: If you were Jewish, you'd know what he meant.
-s. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2051
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:06 pm: |
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Soda, did you really start that last post with an appology and write that? At least take back the appology because if you are still going to be rude then you aren't sorry at all. |
Boomie
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Username: Boomie
Post Number: 436
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |
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I LOVE the smoked fishes and whitefish spread esp, of Bagel Chateau. |
I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 219
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |
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He may be rude, but he's 100 percent correct. And anyone who doesn't know what "appetizing" means has no business weighing in on this thread. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4074
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:13 pm: |
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Notice that I said "Sorry...but..."
BTW: Apology has only one "p", Your Honor.
-s. |
connied76
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Username: Connied76
Post Number: 55
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:20 pm: |
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Rude and arrogant- what a lovely combination! And I do know a lot about THAT having encountered pompous, rude, arrogant people throughout my life. Also, you don't have to be Jewish to know what appetizing is. |
Joe
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Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1317
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:21 pm: |
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Only been to to the bagel place near Dunkin Donuts once. The only thing worse than the bagels was the service. The people working there seemed to be having a contest on who could be the most incompetent. What's worse is that they all seemed very ammused at how bad they were at their jobs. Not unrelated but the place was also a mess. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2052
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |
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I'm only sleeping - shut up and stop being an /discus/messages/10210/126337.html?1154545107,
Soda, don't apologize at all then. It turns a rude person into a rude lier. |
Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 4105
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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Bagels abroad sells bread with holes in them to look like a bagel - this is true. However, I do enjoy their egg and cheese w/taylor ham samwich on occasion for breakfast.. how about you, Mr. McCheese? |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4075
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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That's liar, Yer Honor...
Connied76: No, you don't have to be Jewish, but it helps. Same deal with the bagels, BTW...
-s. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2054
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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I am not a big fan of the taylor ham. But either bacon or sausage works for me. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2055
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |
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Soda, I knew that would make you happy. |
The Soulful Mr T
Citizen
Username: Howardt
Post Number: 2315
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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Isn't the place on SO Ave the one that charges EXTRA for cinnamon raisin??? As I recall the bagels there are quite small. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4076
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:35 pm: |
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Sorry, I'm cheap, but I'm not that easy. 
-s.
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I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 220
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:36 pm: |
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Bagels are supposed to be that small. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2056
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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Mr. T, are you thinking of Sonny's (which is closed now) or Hot Bagels Abroad. HBA is right next to D&D while Sonny's is a little up the street. Sonny's I think were a little smaller than HBA. And who would want to eat raisins anyway? More yucky food... |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2057
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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Bagels can be any size that they want to be. Anything to the contrary is discrimination. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4077
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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Sonny's charged extra for raisin bagels, but they were worth it.
-s.
BTW: Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but I'd trust the opinion of Art Taylor over that of Eric DeVaris on the subject of Niecy's cuisine, wouldn't you???
-s. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2058
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:41 pm: |
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Soda, what are you trying to say?
Please, spit out your racist stereotypes. Please tell me why a black man would be a better judge of food than a Greek man. (I’m pretty sure he is Greek)
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Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4078
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:44 pm: |
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I didn't realize that the Mayor was such a relativist.
Mr. T: It's not the size...(fill in your own ending to this sentence).
-s. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4079
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 4:47 pm: |
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Conversely, I'd trust Eric's sayso over Art's on the subject of moussaka.
-s.
BTW: Who voted for you, anyhow? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2059
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 5:06 pm: |
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"I'd trust Eric's sayso over Art's on the subject of moussaka."
Soda, as a person of the Jewish faith I would think that you would be more sensitive to stereotypes.
My constituents voted for me.
Also, did you mean say-so?
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Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4080
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 5:35 pm: |
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Fact: I'm not your constituent.
Another Fact: Art and Eric aren't stereotypes. They're people of particular ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and therefore can offer qualified opinions on issues pertinent to those backgrounds. I'm a Jewish American, and the same applies to me.
I suppose that on the subject of anything cheesy, you'd be the expert.
I'm out.
-s. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2060
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 5:48 pm: |
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Fact: Not all people of certain backgrounds like the same things.
Fact: A stereotype is "a preconceived and over-simplified idea of the characteristics which typify a person or thing."
Yet another fact: By you assuming that these people will naturally be, as you say experts, on specific foods that are related to their supposed cultures you are making stereotypes.
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Richard Kessler
Citizen
Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 181
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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I was surprised and terribly saddend to see that Sonny's Bagels closed. I had know, of course, about the closing of the bakery (Sonny Amster's). Why did he close the bagel shop too? Does anyone know anything about a relocation of the bakery and/or bagel shop?
BTW, I thought the bagels at Sonny's were better than H&H and equal to Ess A Bagel.
The old school bakers boil and bake, which creates a truly amazing bagel when right out of the oven. The crust hardens pretty fast, and many folks, who have become used to the new school where the bagels are essentially steamed, producing a soft bagel with less texture and complexity, can't really deal with the old school baked bagels once they are a day or so old. A number of times I had Sonny's bagels when they were fresh (this the red neon sign: hot bagels), and they were fanfreakingtastic.
Now, if you want a similarly great bialy, there is only one place in the world: Kossar's, on the Lower East Side. Same deal, hot out of the oven, to freaking die for. Mimi Sheraton did a great book on Bialy's and basically found that Kossar's was pretty much without rival, by a long shot. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3764
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 6:58 pm: |
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With a grandmother from Bialystock, I have to say Kossars is JUST like my grandma used to make. Couldn't be better/But...
schlepping downto the LOE on sunday morning while fun the first time, gets kind of old . |
Richard Kessler
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Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 185
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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It is a schelp...but it's really the only option if you get a hankering for that great taste of a hot onion bialy with butter and cream cheese melted on top.
Nancy--you should check out Mimi Sheraton's book--if you haven't already...the bialy is a metaphor, sort of, for the diaspora...a very touching and delicious book, that naturally, focuses on Bialystock and Bailystockers. |
IShep
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Username: Twinsmom
Post Number: 184
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 8:58 pm: |
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since moving to PA, sonny's is what i've missed most of all (besides a few friends) from south orange. i'm sad to hear it's gone. and for what it's worth, i always felt they had better bagels than h&h in the city, my SECOND favorite.
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Milosdad
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Username: Milosdad
Post Number: 24
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 2:30 pm: |
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I agree that Kossar's makes a great bialy...however a more than adequate substitute is conveniently available to SO/M area residents...Bell Bagels(aka B&S Bialy) - a Brooklyn bagel & bialy factory that has been around forever - distributes their excellent bialys flash frozen to Shoprite Supermarkets...I admit it won't be as good as fresh baked (what is?) but they taste pretty darn good. |
Joanne G
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Username: Joanne
Post Number: 451
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 4:27 pm: |
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Not really buying into the discussion but once you have these creations fresh, youc an;t eat anything an hour old - which is why they were sold by street vendors originally....RK is right on that (I don't know anything else, obviously)
They're not that hard to make yourself, and if you have a breadmaking machine the first few steps are almost automatic. Once she got a breadmaker I taught my MIL to make the old-fashioned bagels (the real bagels) and loves it - I'm old-fashioned and do them by hand. (Yes I also do the yeasty jam doughnuts for Chanukkah by hand the old-fashioned way too, and make strudel dough from scratch...) |
Richard Kessler
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Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 188
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 9:08 pm: |
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Go Joanne!
How about rugelach??
And you really make strudel dough from scratch? I once read a descriptions of families making the dough by stretching it from one end of a table to another. |
Joanne G
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Username: Joanne
Post Number: 456
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 4, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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Don't like rugelach although I have known master-makers who made at home. And my strudel dough is never of 'tablecloth' quality - I'm not that fine a hand at pastry! It's more a French thousand-leaves kidn of pastry. Strudel's a task I set myself once a year, to see if I can then I lose patience...but the yeasty things I'm not too shabby with.
Part of the trick with yeast doughs is the proof stage - but you can set the dough up the night before and then do the final bits in an hour or so before breakfast. So if I'm doing bagels for breakfast, I'll rise early or prepare most of the dough the night before, and get everything to proof stage. Go for a short walk. Come back and do the shape/boil/bung in the oven stage. Then stick a load of washing on and get ready for breakfast (maybe pick fresh figs etc if it's the right season). By the time the bagels are ready, hot coffee is in mugs, table's set and guests (or hubby) impressed - and I can goof off for rest of the day having secured my reputation as an ace housewife!!
Uh oh - now you all know my sneaky approach to housework... |
Richard Kessler
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Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 192
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 9:40 am: |
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VERY IMPRESSIVE!!! Wow. |
Joanne G
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Username: Joanne
Post Number: 461
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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Richard, you'll have to come visit me with Nancy LL - do you know 'm in Australia's rural 'forgotten zones'? I promise to make you bagels and serve you fresh fruit/veg from our garden. If you're here for Shabbat, I'll even make challah for starters and strudel for dessert... |
Richard Kessler
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Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 194
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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Well, if you don't mind my wife Debbie and our 14th month old peanut, Sophie--who happens to LOVE bagels. We would love to! Sonny's used to her a mini bagel whenever I brought her along to the shop. |
Joanne G
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Username: Joanne
Post Number: 465
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 5, 2006 - 5:58 pm: |
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The more the merrier!
I don't do fancy flavours, being a purist, however toppings include fresh rainbow trout from the Murray River prepared in a variety of wonderful ways; local cheeses, jams and honey also from local boutique producers (jams are thick spreadable conserves - not sure what you'd call them); home-cooked corned beef if we're not doing the cheese thing (becuse I keep kosher); and yummy olives from the grove down the road. Then we add the fresh fruit and veg from garden 'pciked at dawn' - and you can see why I rest on my laurels amid the messy piles of fresh-done laundry and half-read books!
Oh lord - I have to go make some bagels now - I was going to visit the local plant nursery and do gardening instead but it's Sunday morning my time and I'm alone in the house and NOW YOU HAVE ME CRAVING HOT BAGELS! Unfair!  |
The Man
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Username: Bumboklaat
Post Number: 194
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 2:43 am: |
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It's Sunday morning, I should have warm Sonny's Everything Bagels waiting for me... but I shall not. 
BTW: Soda molests collies. |
Walker
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Username: Walker
Post Number: 26
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 9:02 am: |
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BAGEL CHATEAU IN MAPLEWOOD VILLAGE WORKS FOR ME!! |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4094
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 6, 2006 - 9:36 am: |
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...Couldn't resist jumping back in here to add another yes for Bagel Chateau.
BTW,OddlookingCanine: Every chance I get. Watch for me at the new Dog Park...
-s. |
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