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mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 548
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | 
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Mark,
I can't speak for Dan, but my concern would certainly be the noise & truck traffic (which bring additional noise & safety issues, as well).
The simple fact that enforcement of noice ordinances will be difficult/impossible on weekends, why even ask for trouble?
Like was discussed, I'm sure you could simply craft an ordinance to prohibit construction of NEW housing units on weekends which would minimize the impact on existing homeowners. This would also help the residents that border Orange Lawn Tennis Club when that property eventually is developed.
Frankly, I'm certain the early prospective new homeowners who choose to live in "the pit" would appreciate this restriction, as well, once they move in. |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:28 pm: |
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Mark, can we get Ed to review:
§ 104-5. Prohibited acts.
(6) Construction and demolition: operating or permitting the operation of any tools or equipment used in construction, drilling, earthmoving, excavating or demolition work between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day on weekdays or at any time on weekends or legal holidays, provided that such equipment is equipped with a functioning muffler, except for emergency work, by variance issued pursuant to § 104-7 or when the sound level does not exceed any applicable limit specified in Table I. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 787
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:53 pm: |
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Howard: I am forwarding your post to Ed to review. The league of municipalities convention is this week in AC. I do not know which days he is going to be there so it might be a few days till we get a response. (I am not going this year).
Mhd: I would guess the noise is the main issue. John was going to let Pulte know that we prefer they did not do any work on weekends. I would not have a problem prohibiting new construction (or similar ordinance) in residential neighborhoods.
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Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 70
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:22 pm: |
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We are entering into a slippery slope here. I built my own deck, doing the bulk of the construction on the weekends when I was off work. I rerally would have been pissed if I couldn't have done this project on Sat/Sun. Was I supposed to take time off from work? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 788
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:01 pm: |
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Guesswho: That was pointed out last night and is a real concern.
A solution would be that Pulte limit the scope of any work they do (no heavy equipment, interior work, etc), if they decide to pursue working on weekends.
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Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 9:49 pm: |
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The faster they finish the project, the better it will be. Get 'em in and out. no point in dragging out the inevitable (as some posters seem to want to do.) The kvetching is ridiculous..TrammelCrow won,Pulte is building and that's it. Get over it. |
mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 549
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 10:50 pm: |
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Guess who - As YOU posted on another thread ....Maybe if we all close our eyes and ignore these inane posts, they'll stop.
How can you be completely ignorant and be so insensitive to your neighbors in this community. You seem to enjoy stirring up every thread you visit. Get a life!
"The faster they finish, the better it will be"??? Why is that? You really think this is going to positively affect your tax bill or the community in any way? (RHETORICAL QUESTION)
You are sadly misinformed.
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mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 550
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:00 pm: |
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Guesswho - By the way, did you get a PERMIT for that deck you built yourself?  |
Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 72
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 8:06 am: |
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YUP. Sure did. And the Village inspector said it would withstand an earthquake( or heavy trucks and blasting).
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Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 56
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 8:19 am: |
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I agree with Guesswho. Move on, the houses are going up, let them work, let them be sold and welcome the new owners to town.
Mayhewdrive--yes the faster they finish the better it will be...not more construction, no more trucks, grass and trees will grow, children will play in the yards, and maybe you will become friends with some of the new ownwers. |
Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 73
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 8:23 am: |
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Sylad, Exactly. It's seems like MHD enjoys prolonging the agony if only to keep complaining. It's gonna happen. Just get it over with and move on. |
mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 552
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 9:58 am: |
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"Children will play in the yard"....you mean the 10 foot deep properties that back up to 50 foot rock walls?
"maybe you will become friends with some of the new ownwers"...as long as they are not more radical right wingers like you two.
"let them work"...funny how I bet Sylad's tune will change when they start construction in HIS neighborhood at Orange Lawn Tennis Club!  |
Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 74
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:04 am: |
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Dave..Mayhew called me a wacko. Personal attack..Ban him, puleeze. No need to be nasty! |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 58
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:17 am: |
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Somehow I knew you would reduce yourself to name calling. I support a free market economy, it has built this county and served us well. My "tune" as you call it, won't change when they start the construction at the Tennis Club, not sure if Pulte is closer to me..as a crow flies.
I won't call for your ban but I agree with Guesswho..no need to be nasty.
Feel free to classify me as a Conservative. |
Dan Shelffo
Citizen
Username: Openspacer
Post Number: 78
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:42 pm: |
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I do not mean to upset anybody. I just want to enjoy peace and quiet on the weekends. I never thought of it as a liberal or a conservative issue or a NIMBY issue or a pro BOT or anti BOT position. It is just my personal preference.
My question to Mark was to simply ask what is he personally going to do to protect my peace and quiet. He has given his answer.
For me, that is the end of the discussion, at least until they disturb the peace on the weekends.
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Guesswho
Citizen
Username: Guesswho
Post Number: 75
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 1:01 pm: |
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You are right Dan, it's not a conservative/liberal issue (as Sylad announces that he is proud to be one and I announce I am proud to be the other.)
We have rules on the books to prevent disturbing the peace. If the sound levels rise above that, the Town should and must enforce those regulations.
But shutting down over the weekends entirely doesn't sound like a viable option. |
singlemalt
Citizen
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 72
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 9:04 am: |
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Let them work on Saturdays. The sooner they are finished the sooner the dust, trucks and traffic will be gone. |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 3:14 pm: |
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Still waiting for response to the question raised on interpretation of the following:
Mark, can we get Ed to review:
§ 104-5. Prohibited acts.
(6) Construction and demolition: operating or permitting the operation of any tools or equipment used in construction, drilling, earthmoving, excavating or demolition work between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day on weekdays or at any time on weekends or legal holidays, provided that such equipment is equipped with a functioning muffler, except for emergency work, by variance issued pursuant to § 104-7 or when the sound level does not exceed any applicable limit specified in Table I. |
Dan Shelffo
Citizen
Username: Openspacer
Post Number: 79
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 4:48 pm: |
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They were working today. A neighbor of mine told me he called the police who said they are allowed to work on weekends. |
aplastic
Citizen
Username: Aplastic
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 5:10 pm: |
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Work is permissible if sound levels do not exceed those setforth in Table I. The Village should have a decibel meter to assure compliance with a local ordinance.
Is there a developer's agreement which establishes work hours? Some communities control work hours through such a document. |
mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 566
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 7:38 pm: |
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A couple months ago, John Gross stated emphatically during a BOT meeting that if Pulte requested to work on weekends, the request would be denied.
Aplastic - At a BOT meeting a few weeks ago, I heard that supposedly the decibel meter belongs to an office in the County, which is not open on weekends. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5765
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 8:27 pm: |
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The cost to the county or town to send a decibel meter back and forth two or three times by car is probably more than the cost to buy one for $100 to use forever:
http://www.directproaudio.com/product.cfm?directid=51197
What's the point of having laws without the ability to enforce them? |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 424
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:03 am: |
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Prehaps the Business Administrator/Treasurer/Chief Financial Officer would be willing to use his taxpayer-funded SUV to pick it up and drop it off? |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 17
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 1:01 pm: |
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Again, I still would appreciate Ed's interpretation of the current ordinance. If one assumes that only the noise level as the criteria then why were the times included in the ordinance?
It is my opinion the meaning is that:
> Construction and demolition is prohibited between 6pm and 7am on weekdays and never on weekends/holidays except in emergencies.
> During the acceptable period (7am-6pm) they must conform to the sound limits as defined in Table I.
I am also waiting for response to an "Information Request" submitted to the Village Clerk requesting copy of any/all permits and developers agreement.
Mark, can we get Ed to review:
§ 104-5. Prohibited acts.
(6) Construction and demolition: operating or permitting the operation of any tools or equipment used in construction, drilling, earthmoving, excavating or demolition work between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day on weekdays or at any time on weekends or legal holidays, provided that such equipment is equipped with a functioning muffler, except for emergency work, by variance issued pursuant to § 104-7 or when the sound level does not exceed any applicable limit specified in Table I. |
woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 488
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 11:28 pm: |
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I guess the question is what the "except" applies to. It could be in the restriction on construction, or it could be in the requirement for a muffler. It's ambiguous. But then, that allows everyone a little wiggle room, doesn't it?
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 18
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 6:55 am: |
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They are defined in the next section:
§ 104-6. Exceptions.
A.The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to:
(1)The emission of sound for the purpose of alerting persons to the existence of an emergency, except as provided in § 104-4C(5) and (6).
(2)The emission of sound in the performance of emergency work.
(3)The emission of sound in situations within the Federal Occupational Safety and Health Act.
B.Noise from municipally sponsored or approved celebrations or events shall be exempt from the provisions of this chapter.
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One other observation is that it seems that the real-estate trailer uses a power generator. Not a major issue but just another annoyance and pollution source. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 810
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 10:21 am: |
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Howard: I am waiting for Ed to get back to me. I forwarded the post to him.
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aplastic
Citizen
Username: Aplastic
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 10:37 am: |
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A noise meter suitable for law enforcement runs from $1000 to $1500. Additionally an officier requires training (available at Rutgers) and the unit requires annual certifcation. |
woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 489
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 10:43 am: |
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Howard,
It would seem that the restriction would not allow them to do construction on weekends. Does that mean I can't work on my house on weekends too? I'm really curious about this.
As far as the generator, if they could get PSE&G to pull aline for power, I'm sure they'd rather do that than have a generator. I went into the "office" there and the noise is probably taking years off the saleswoman's life.
By the way, not to drift the thread, but I emailed the saleswoman about the taxes, and she thought they would come in at around $25k. I rally hope that's not the case. I'd hate to think doublea and I would be subsidizing another neighborhood. Seems like a $900k house should have taxes of over $30k.
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 1:10 pm: |
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I can only offer the following: We need to have Ed Matthews state an opinion.
§ 104-1. Definitions.
CONSTRUCTION -- Any site preparation, assembly, erection, repair, alteration or similar action, but excluding demolition of buildings or structures.
DEMOLITION -- Any dismantling, intentional destruction or removal of buildings or structures.
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Dan Shelffo
Citizen
Username: Openspacer
Post Number: 81
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 8, 2003 - 10:04 am: |
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I noticed Pulte was not working this past Saturday. Wimps. |
nwyave
Citizen
Username: Mesh
Post Number: 140
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 - 11:37 pm: |
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2 houses posted on realtor.com by Pulte - assuming they are the Quarry development. One is for $886k and the other $935k |
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