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newtoallthis
Citizen
Username: Newtoallthis
Post Number: 81
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:03 pm: | 
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why do the trash men have to work under such primitive conditions? they have to lug around these huge, orange trash cans on their shoulders, hauling the trash down long driveways. can't they at least be outfitted with wheels on the trash cans, or dollies? |
patjoyce
Citizen
Username: Patjoyce
Post Number: 45
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:22 pm: |
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Trash collection is done by a private contractor. The conditions of the work is controlled by these private entities.
Patrick |
aplastic
Citizen
Username: Aplastic
Post Number: 14
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 5:07 pm: |
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Has any thought been given to the Village taking over trash collection? I know it will have an impact on the tax rate, but it will also permit for an income tax deduction if the price is included in the municpal tax rate. |
patjoyce
Citizen
Username: Patjoyce
Post Number: 46
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:07 pm: |
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I don't know when the last cost/benefit ananlysis was done and what the numbers were, but I will try to get them at the next public works meeting. (1-9-04)
Patrick |
Mergele
Citizen
Username: Mergele
Post Number: 32
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:30 pm: |
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slight thread drift... On the subject of trash pickup, has anyone received their 4th quarter bill? I know I haven't seen one and I would hate to have to get into another spitting match with SO Disposal over their billing practices. 
"Cats climb because being ruler of all you survey sucks when all you survey is ankles." -- Unknown
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Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 2:52 pm: |
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I may have missed something, but does anyone know why the village does not contract directly for residential garbage pick-up? The Village already selects a single contractor and helps set the rate, so why not make the fee deductible as part of property taxes? I am sure there is a good reason why it is not done. . . |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 3:00 pm: |
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I may have missed something, but does anyone know why the village does not contract directly for residential garbage pick-up? The Village already selects a single contractor and helps set the rate, so why not make the fee deductible as part of property taxes? I am sure there is a good reason why it is not done. . . |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 898
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 3:39 pm: |
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Daniel Jacobs: One of the reasons was that it would seem unfair to "penalize" a home that is assessed at a higher value because they would be effectively subsidizing the lower valued homes. I realize this argument could be made for many things, but this is one that can be seperated out under the current system. S. Orange Disposal has the same limit for how much garbage they will pick up at each house so to me the current method seems fairer (I realize that when it comes to taxes and bills there is no such thing as fair). |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 4:04 pm: |
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Trustee Rosner:
No, I agree. The cost of garbage pick-up is relatively fixed and should not be linked to home value. But don't some municipalities have a flat tax for garbage pick-up with the rest done by valuation? For instance, $400/unit + 2.5% of valuation. The total cost would be the same, but it would go from being a post-tax expense to being a pre-tax expense. Moreover, the higher the income, the greater value the deductibility. I certainly understand the problem, so I was just asking . . .
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Dan Shelffo
Citizen
Username: Openspacer
Post Number: 84
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 4:12 pm: |
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If the garbage was included in our taxes would tax exempt properties no longer have to pay for this service?
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Neen
Citizen
Username: Neen
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 4:37 pm: |
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Excellent point Dan Shelffo! |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 899
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 4:38 pm: |
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Dan: Good question. I would assume any tax exempt property that is a single-family home would wind up with free garbage pick-up. Mostly this would be the homes owned by the churches/synagogues and maybe the group homes. SHU would not be eligilbe if there was a change. I will let the DPW committee debate the issue (headed by Patrick Joyce) and they can let the BOT/Residents know if there is an alternative to the current system that might be more cost effective. |
aplastic
Citizen
Username: Aplastic
Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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Typically, municipalities that provide trash pick up do so only for residental customers. Businesses, churches,schools etc. are on their own. |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 429
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:25 pm: |
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...umm considering I have not had a trash bill for over 6 months, and that even after phone calls...
how can they run a business like that? i don't even receive "over due" notices (if they send those out)
Pete
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Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 4:46 pm: |
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I was going to mention that most municipal garbage pick-up is only provided to residential customers -- to take advantage of the state/federal tax subsidy. "Aplastic" seems to have already raised the issue. Generally, commercial and educational properties are required to contract independently with a private carrier. The assumption, perhaps false, is that institutions have the leverage to "bargain" with private contractors, while residential customers do not. In any case, any feedback would be appreciated . . .
- Daniel |
Stuart0628
Citizen
Username: Stuart0628
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 6:06 pm: |
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De-lurking long enough for a back of the envelope calculation: Assuming that trash pickup is not deductible but property taxes are, owners would come out ahead if their property is assessed at 137% or less of the Village average. (If I pay $1 now and I would pay $1.37 if garbage was baked into the property tax rates, I'd net to the same $1. $1.37 x .73 = $1.00)
This assumes a 27% tax break for deductions on Schedule A, and no state tax effect since only $10K is deductible and NJ is otherwise a flat-tax state.
This also assumes that the cost of doing business would be the same for S.O. Disposal vs. if the Village ran things themselves.
Can anyone who is up on the current tax code verify this estimate? |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:52 am: |
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It looks right to me, but I am not a tax expert. But the municipality could actually continue to contract with South Orange Disposal for the work. SO Disposal would no longer have to invoice individual customers and handle collections, so it might be slightly cheaper. . . |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Citizen
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Any update on the municipal trash pick-up/property tax issue? |
Mergele
Citizen
Username: Mergele
Post Number: 42
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 5:56 pm: |
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Anybody receive a 4th quarter bill?
"Cats climb because being ruler of all you survey sucks when all you survey is ankles." -- Unknown
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joecool
Citizen
Username: Joecool
Post Number: 91
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 2:03 pm: |
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I haven't actually recieved a bill since Fall of 2002 ( I am NOT kidding), have made the phone calls, paid the bills and still they blame it on the post office. Still waiting for the 4th quarter bill...... |
Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 15
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 8:03 am: |
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there is an apartment building on irvington ave that has at least 2 months worth of garbage in the back of it....is that a health code violation? who's falt is that the landlord or the town? |
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