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Joe Citizen
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Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 7:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can someone please tell me when the Renaissance Art Gallery become a Night Club? When did the Board of Trustees aprove a liquor license for 61 South Orange Ave.?
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Dave Ross
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Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 8:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe it was a private party?
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Allan J Rosen
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Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joe: The Renaissance Gallery is not a night club and does not have a liquor license approved by the trustees. He has previously been in trouble with the authorities because of events presumably similar to what you are describing.
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mayhewdrive
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Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is this the place next door to Cafe Arugula?

Can someone explain what that place is supposed to be? It ALWAYS looks like some sort of "private party" is going on.
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SoOrLady
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Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The postcard I got in the mail says that it will be used by Grace Church - I'll assume two services on Sunday and one on Wednesday evening.
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sukazu
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Posted on Friday, January 2, 2004 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If they are holding church services there, then why do they need 15 palm trees, a band and tables and chairs set up out on the sidewalk. Looks to me like a "party" going on and it is lot more than just Wednesday night.
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chocoholic
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I once went in there ( uninvited ) and questioned the occupants. The owner of the gallery is an artist who is a professor at a local college. His art work is hung all over the walls. It is quite beautiful. He rents the space to others for private parties, etc. A church rents time there, as well as a dance class for small girls. When I went in the dance class was just finishing.

Perhaps the private parties need to be monitored a little more closely. I think that he should open an art gallery. If you can get in to look a the space, it is quite impressive. Really sophisticated, with a grand piano, and again, absolutely gorgeous oil paintings all over the place.
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susan1014
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Posted on Friday, January 2, 2004 - 2:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From a little simple "googling", I'm wondering about the "private parties"...here is a link to info on two events with admission charges (I've attached the actual event listing below):

http://www.spraci.net/areas/usa/new_jersey/

I have no idea where the limits are according to code, and am happy to see signs of life on South Orange Avenue, as long as it is being done appropriately. Open bar, advertising, paid admission and 4AM endtime sound like they might be over the line.

In addition, I'm attaching a current(?) article on the artist who owns the never-open gallery. I applaud him on his artistic vision, and would like to better understand his business. In the years since he moved in, I've never seen him open for business, although he furnished a gallery, and then a restaurant -- we kept waiting for the opening.

Any thoughts?

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SOUTH ORANGE, N.J. (AP) - Bernard Jackson plans to lie nearly naked in chains in a cramped, cold, dark space next to his slaves. The Maplewood artist will display himself alongside his latest bronze sculptures in an exhibition Tuesday evening at his Renaissance Gallery in South Orange.

Jackson, 38, said he wants to experience what slaves might have felt as they traveled in ships to be sold in America.

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Jackson plans to send his two-foot-tall figurines to the governor of South Carolina and other elected officials there, hoping the message they convey about the human misery associated with slavery will help persuade the state's leaders to remove the Confederate flag that waves above the Statehouse dome in Columbia.

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"I've rented the movie nine times already,'' said Jackson. "I was so moved and so inspired that nothing else seemed to matter.''

Jackson can create about 10 slave sculptures each day using the same mold. They take about 24 hours to harden. When completed, his exhibit will have 100 slaves placed side by side in groups of 10, bound by leg and wrist chains, on a wooden base to represent the deck of a slave ship. The wood came from an East Orange church that was heavily damaged in a fire, Jackson said.

He said he has sold 20 statues, at $300 apiece, and has given away 40.

"The first slave I sold was to James Mtume of South Orange,'' said Jackson, who paused to reflect on the irony of the words. "Wow, isn't that wild saying that? 'The first slave I sold.'''

Jackson, a formally trained painter as well as sculptor, Jackson credits his mother, Doris, for encouraging him to follow his passion for art, and praises his wife for financially supporting him and their two young children. His last full-time job was nine years ago as art director for a billboard advertising agency in South Carolina.

Lynn Irby-Jackson, Jackson's wife of seven years, teaches English at the Gladys Hillman Jones Middle School in Newark, and teaches dance at night.

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Bills have gone unpaid to support the work. His gallery, where he's displayed his work for five years, recently had the lights and heat turned off after about $4,000 in utility bills went unpaid.

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Candles and lanterns will likely be used to illuminate the gallery on Tuesday, but Jackson isn't concerned.

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Irby-Jackson remembered how moved Bernard was after seeing "Amistad.''

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"I'm not making any money out of it, but when you have a passion for something, it's keeps you going,'' Jackson said. "My kids can say, 'Daddy didn't make a lot of money, but he followed his dream.'''

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doublea
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Posted on Friday, January 2, 2004 - 2:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John Gross and the trustees read this board. I suggest that they print out the link which susan 1014 gave above and give it to code enforcement and the municipal prosecutor as evidence in municipal court.
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chocoholic
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Posted on Monday, January 5, 2004 - 4:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe the artist can be convinced to open a book store in the space.
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greeneyes
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Posted on Monday, January 5, 2004 - 7:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At one time the upper level of his store did have books for sale.
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M. Scott
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Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 8:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I assume your referencing the recent party from about a week or two ago where there were cars double parked all over the down town and village plaza looked like bloods gang family outing...good move SOUTH ORANGE. if you cannot figure out that when twenty to thirty young black males are all dressed with similar red markings on their clothing...its not a fashion trend.

Another instance when a village business that is going to be open past 1230 or 1 should be forced to hire actual police officers for security. FAT GUYS WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED ARE NOT QUALIFIED AS REPUTABLE SECURITY.
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newtoallthis
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can any town officials please tell us if these complaints are being looked into?
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mrosner
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The village has been dealing with the situation for over one year. The storeowner has been warned (in writing more than once), has received a summons (at least one) and the village will continue to monitor the situation and do whatever we can to try and make sure he obeys all village ordinances, etc.
It has also been discussed at public safety and at planning and zoning committee meetings.
I would rather not comment any further on the situation in this forum.
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doublea
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The charging of an entrance fee, even if it's disguised as a donation, to a place which doesn't have a liquor license and where alcohol is served, consitutes operation of a speakeasy which is illegal.
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SoOrLady
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well then... let's send another written warning and summons while we continue to monitor the situation. Good grief.
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woodstock
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since this seems to be a matter for the police, why not call them next time there is an illegal party going on, and have them shut it down? Being embarassed in front of customers might get the message across.
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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mrosner
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Soorlady: It has been done more than once.
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SoOrLady
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mrosner: That was my point.
Woodstock: Good idea.
mrosner: since the past methods have not produced a positive result, perhaps it's time to be a bit more agressive.
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mrosner
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The village has to act within the limits of the law. If it was up to me, the place would have been shut down already. Sometimes what seems obvisous to most is not always seen that way in the eyes of the court.
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doublea
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's why the Village should used the link that susan1014 posted above. We'll stay tuned.
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mrosner
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That link is over one year old and the village had already acted on the announcement when it came up (last January).
Really doublea, stop with the games.
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doublea
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's not games. Evidently based on what has been posted here there is a real problem. I don't think it's us who are playing games.
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doublea
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark: I'm really trying to calm down, but when I read M. Scott's post I really get concerned. If there's a problem with the judge then use evidence that can't be disputed (use an undercover cop).
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bets
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it a game when there was a fire there, SOFD found numerous (I mean, tons!) violations, and they were not allowed to shut the place down?
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mrosner
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Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was referring to the insinuation that everyone in village hall waits for someone to post on MOL before something happens. This has been an ongoing concern and I am not about to start posting information about an individual storeowner that could subject the village or myself to a lawsuit.
As I tried to point out before sometimes things are not as clear cut as we would like them to be.
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chocoholic
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Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think that the store owner actually hosts the parties. I really don't think that a married man who is a professor at local college is in with the "Crips and Bloods." He rents out the space to private people who have the parties. His problem is lack of overisght. Having seen the space whch is cramed with beautiful artwork , it seems that this guys main goal is to 1) make enough money to pay his rent and 2) have a continous source of people filing through his place who might just buy his artwork. I don't know perhaps, there is business group in SO that can suggest better ways for him to use the space that will acheive his goals and not irritate the citizens.


Before, I mentioned a book store. He would have a bunch of people going in and out of his store, and these people would be much more likely to purchase than people going to party to eat and dance.

Finally, most security guards are fat guys who were once unemployed. Since they are working as security guards they are no longer uunemployed. Security guard work doesnot attract the most professional and educated people. I have never heard of a getting a higher degree in security guard work.
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M. Scott
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Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 5:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I never stated he was in with crips and bloods...I simply stated what I observed on Village Plaza directly across from his establishment, Several young black males wearing gang colors. Its no secret that gangs are active in this area...South Orange specifically doesn't seem to be crying out gangland, but other nieghboring towns are. There seems to be evidence of it; crime and its elements are transient so just because we all live in this liberal suburban hamlet don't think the problem can't come into the village, and that parties and events like this will attract it. Gangs have a presence all over the state, including GASP Morris County, so is there a cooralation between Mr. Jackson's poor taste in renting his space and gangs...I THINK SO!

Mr. Jackson is a con man...and he's selling bridges. I would like to see him actually in a class room before I assume what he tells people is the truth regarding his college teaching post...

also just for the record he seems to have more court dates then the judge in this town.


AND YES THERE IS A HIGHER DEGREE OF SECURITY GUARD...I CALL IT OFF DUTY UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER. PUT A COP AT THE DOOR AND THEN YOUR MAKING YOUR SECURITY AN IMPARTIAL OBSERVER AND SECURITY FORCE THAT WORKS WITHIN THE LAW. I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THATS BETTER THEN THE ALTERNATIVE.
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Waldo
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I dont think we can fault a person for the type of customer that frequents his establishment. I saw some young men wearing the same colors at blockbuster and Rite Aid, should we have them shut down for dealing with people that you dont approve of? What he has done involving having alcohol at gatherings when he has no license, may be wrong and if it is I agree that he should recieve a fine. But I dont feel that his establishment has in any way led to any sort of crime or other problem in the Village, unless there has been and I may just be unaware. Is there even confirmation that these individuals were at his establishment or where they just in the area?
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M. Scott
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 3:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its a sad liberal state of affairs when we question the obvious!

Your giving this place too much credit. Yes I concede it is actually a decent looking business and I fear that another beauty shop or nail salon or vacant store front would not be the answer here, but come on. If Mr Jackson wants a catering / rental hall or liquor establishment, let him do it by the proper methods.

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J. Crohn
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

M. Scott, 1-8-04, 8;03 pm: "I assume your referencing the recent party from about a week or two ago...village plaza looked like bloods gang family outing... if you cannot figure out that when twenty to thirty young black males are all dressed with similar red markings on their clothing...its not a fashion trend."

M. Scott, 1-10-04, 5:51 pm: "I never stated he was in with crips and bloods...I simply stated what I observed on Village Plaza directly across from his establishment, Several young black males wearing gang colors."


Well? Was it several dozen, or just several?

Why exaggerate? The gallery owner apparently is violating town ordinance and should be dealt with on those terms.



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J. Crohn
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chocoholic; "I don't know perhaps, there is business group in SO that can suggest better ways for him to use the space that will acheive his goals and not irritate the citizens."

I hope so. That would be a hell of a lot better than one more empty storefront or nail salon.

Plus, it's a nice space. I think it would be pretty decent if he actually ran the place as a serious gallery, i.e., hosted more than his own work from time to time. (Not that that would pay the rent, I'm afraid...)
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dgm
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a friend in town who tried to buy some artwork, paid for it in part, and then had to take the owner to small claims court (now it is a matter of record in Essex County) and which estblished a claim against the owner. The money was never paid back nor the artwork delivered.
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M. Scott
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FOR YOU LIBERALS WHO OBVIOUSLY NEED TO QUESTION EVERYTHING JUST ON PRINCIPAL OF BEING LIBERAL. WHAT IS SHOCKING ME THE MOST IS THAT THIS MESSAGE BOARD IS REAVEALING ME TO BE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE THEN I EVER THOUGHT I WAS.

A clarified account:

I attempted to return a video to the blockbuster on December 29th at 120am while returning home from work.

There was no place to park in the surrounding vacinity nor any place to double park due to the number of cars parked legally and illegally all over the area.

There were several crowds of people loitering around on Vose Av, on Village Plaza, on the North & South sides of S.O. Av in that area. I can attest that these people were not from the GasLight or Grille/Cryans.

And as stated in my first post stated 20-30 (which makes several and just barely 2 dozen, not several dozen) young black males some with bandana's on their heads, wrapped around their arms, or legs. Others wearing Atlanta Hawks coats and assorted other red marked clothings were clustered in Village Plaza park and the sidewalk adjacent. That does not include the surrounding groups of people just standing around various locations, dressed in normal cloths, not one wearing a red color. I didn't think I needed to justify a more accurate statement. Because longwinded responses and postings get boring.

Let me have a brief rant:

If I didn't enjoy the diversity and the environment that the Village offers I would not live here...However, I have issues with this town and I believe for the cost I pay to live here down on the east side of the tracks. This message board is a good place to vent all of our frustrations, issues, and yes possible solutions to the problems we observe. We are even able to get interaction from the BOT members which I applaud.

The Village residents do not stand for college students loitering anywhere off of campus, I don't think Gallary 61's partygoers should be exempted from this either, nor should the South Orange Grille, Cryans, or Gaslight or any business that operates into the early morning.

I think the bars in town should have been held responible for the disturbance that the Seton Hall Graduation Bar Crawl caused last May outside of Cryans, but we will save those postings for that event this May when we have that riot.

Im not against Gallary 61...(Posted on Sunday by me, January 11, 2004 - 3:31 pm "it is actually a decent looking business ...If Mr Jackson wants a catering / rental hall or liquor establishment, let him do it by the proper methods"). However, I am concerned with the assertations that he rents the business out and is not responsible for the crowd it attracts or anything that happens due to that event. I think he is responsible and should be held the same standard we attack the South Orange Grille with and other bars in town at the least short of shutting his parties down until he is in compliance with the Village Code and ABC laws.

WHAT IS THIS PLACE????IS IT A BAR,LIBRARY, BOOK STORE, CATERING HALL, CHURCH, DANCE STUDIO, PRIVATE CLUB, GALLARY????
OR ALL OF THE ABOVE.

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vermontgolfer
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Username: Vermontgolfer

Post Number: 251
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

M. Scott,

For what it's worth, we noticed a 'church' sign outside yesterday, but of course it was Sunday!
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Waldo
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Username: Discowaldo

Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are liquor licenses given out by the town or is that a county or a state duty? and how do they decide who can and can not have one?
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katie clayton
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Username: Grovykndofluv

Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2004
Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 3:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i just have to say...reading this was very entertaining.....

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