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Allan J Rosen
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Username: Allanrosen

Post Number: 84
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 5:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The quarry is not in the redevelopment zone. There is no PILOT and no developer's agreement is needed between the Village and Pulte.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1116
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 5:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Allan,

Did Pulte follow-though on their threat and SUE the Village to allow rock crushing/quarrying on the site? If so, what is the status of that suit?
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 48
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 6:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It has been stated on numerious occassions that there would be a developers agreement with Pulte. One of the items was access to the Wetlands.
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Allan J Rosen
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Username: Allanrosen

Post Number: 86
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 5:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The threat to sue is being negotiated and thus cannot be commented upon publicly.

There already exists an agreement/understanding between Pulte and the Village so that there will be access to the wetlands upon completion of the project.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 51
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 6:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks.... Where is this agreement published?
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1129
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 9:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Allan,

Thank you for your response. I sure hope someone is "negotiating" who knows about municipal law (see other thread) and that the Village does not give up anything else to this developer in return (isn't $1.2 million enough?)
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 55
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan, never got a response to my previous post - do you where one can obtain a copy of the referenced agreement/understanding?

Thanks
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just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange

Post Number: 336
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 4:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i've asked this a number of times with no response.

how different is the blasting in the quarry now then it was years ago? if the intensity level the same?
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1196
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 4:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just me,

This is just a guess, but it appears the blasting is being done along the outer perimeter of the site now (which is closer to surrounding homes). The blasting is also in areas that were never blasted before (such as where all those trees USED TO BE along Harding Drive). I assume there must have been a reason that wasn't blasted in the quarrying days.

As for intensity...I have no idea. Although, I do know that a vast majority of the current residents living in the neighborhood now were not around back then, so any blasting is more than what we/they are used to.
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just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange

Post Number: 340
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 1:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks mhd for the answer. i was thinking (a very unpopular opinion i know) if the levels were the same, then way didn't it do damage to the houses back then. but when you explain the blasting is further out and there are no longer trees to buffer the blasts, i'm sure that adds to the intensity.
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Allan J Rosen
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Username: Allanrosen

Post Number: 89
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 5:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The agreement about access to the wetlands is an understanding (not in writing) at this point and will be formalized the current disputes are settled.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 60
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are the "current disputes" and do you have a projection of when you think it will be settled?
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Josh M.
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Username: Jmaxlaw

Post Number: 59
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 3:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct me if I'm wrong-- but did development begin before there was a signed developers agreement with Pulte? The details of wetlands access and other issues are not yet resolved, despite the fact construction is well underway? Is this true?
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 61
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 3:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You got it!
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Allan J Rosen
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Username: Allanrosen

Post Number: 94
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As Mark has posted previously,this is not a PILOT situation in a redevelopment area , and there is no need for a developer's agreement (only the approval from the Planning Board). The disputes are being discussed by lawyers and cannot be commented on publicly at this time.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1220
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Allen,

Let's hope the Village does the following to resolve the "disputes":
1) Remind the crybaby developer that WE already paid them at least $1.2 million to subsidize their project.
2) The Village should start strictly enforcing existing zoning (i.e. "Particular attention shall be given to the frontage along Harding Drive and Underhill Road so as to preserve the existing character of the neighborhood.")
3) Ensure an attorney is involved from the Village who is not more interested in the welfare of the developer over the welfare of the residents. (Sorry, Eddie...let's let the big boys handle this one)
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1224
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark/Allan,

While we're on the subject, has the property now officially been permanently re-zoned to "only" allow a maximum of 69 units? Mark had posted on November 15, 2003 that it was supposed to be completed "soon".

With a "dispute" being discussed, I'd hate for the Village to suddenly be faced with MORE units because some attorney didn't finish their work that was supposed to be done quite some time ago.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1231
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 4:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bump...

Mark/Allan - can you please post a response after the meeting tonight? (I'm assuming you are awaiting an update)
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Josh M.
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Username: Jmaxlaw

Post Number: 63
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Rosen--

I understand that only Planning Board apoproval is needed, however, the Village could of assumed more control over the property if it demanded subdivision approval (a separate type of approval). This development is easily classified as a subdivision. Obviously, we did not decide to classify it this way.
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 1323
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 9:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD: I won't have the update till after next weeks' meeting.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1255
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 9:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark/Allan/Patrick,

As a friendly reminder, can you please find out at tonight's meeting the status of whether the property has now officially been permanently re-zoned to "only" allow a maximum of 69 units?

Thanks.
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Allan J Rosen
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Username: Allanrosen

Post Number: 96
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD: This has (obviously) not been done yet, but Village Counsel is expected to come up with an ordinance after reviewing with various related counsels.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonhw

Post Number: 10
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you have a sense of a target date?
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 1292
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 9:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good article in today's Star Ledger about the impact blasting is having:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1085898847230180.xml
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Soda
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Username: Soda

Post Number: 1416
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

audio/wav
BlastingAtTheQuarry.wav (34.8 k)

Feel that?
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peteglider
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Username: Peteglider

Post Number: 610
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 1:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

...my neighbors, a few summers ago, had major landscaping done in their backyard.

included demolition (no blasting!) lots of new soil, walls, etc.

the ENTIRE summer my house, porch, lawn furniture, windows were covered with dust and dirt - continuously.

This is part of living near construction. (and previous to SO I lived in a brand new development -- in only the 2nd house built -- so I have lived with this before).

Its a mess -- yes -- but really unavoidable.

I have noticed that they are street sweeping pretty regularly, which is good.

Pete

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