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bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4282
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:25 pm: |     |
Vinyl, older material? Jeez, I must be getting old. LOL
Try real linoleum. |
JGTierney
Citizen
Username: Jtg7448
Post Number: 129
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:34 pm: | |
sorry, Bob 
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bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4286
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:24 pm: | |
JG, how did you do with your kitchen cabinets? The reason I ask that there is a guy posting in the South Orange thread who is starting a company making cabinets. |
JGTierney
Citizen
Username: Jtg7448
Post Number: 130
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:31 pm: | |
Bob,
Ended up with a simple shaker style - via
Kraftmaid and HD. ( I still stick my tongue out at Expo when we drive by  )
No one but me (and my other half) will ever notice
that the 1/4" reveal between doors doesn't match the 1/2" between cabinets.
In the end I couldn't beat the price (and we got ALL the upgrades)!
I'll have to check this guy out though...
As a compromise to ourselves - we've left the kitchen island out. We'd like to splurge on that and let it be the custom piece.
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kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 166
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:39 pm: | |
I've never seen vinyl exterior shakes before. There is a company called Nailite that specializes in these types of products. Judging from the website, these products look promising (but I doubt that they would get Virgilian's approval  ). I might look into this for a rental that I own.
http://www.nailiteinternational.com/index.html
I wonder how it looks installed, in person:
http://www.nailiteinternational.com/rscedar.html
http://www.nailiteinternational.com/hsshake.html
http://www.nailiteinternational.com/cape.html
http://www.nailiteinternational.com/spcedar.html
They have an interesting color palate available for most products -- more than you usually get with typical vinyl siding.
I wonder what the cost is? More than likely it is a premium product with a cost to match.
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JGTierney
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Username: Jtg7448
Post Number: 131
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:45 pm: | |
oh, MTierney (I like your name!)
The vinyl siding pops up down the shore because of the moist climate.
I do think that the shakes are nicer than the siding. But me - I will always be a sucker for the real thing. When we first looked at our now home, we noticed that shakes were put in but only on the sides of the house and only from the point of the front soffits on up...
It was interesting talking to the previous owner as to why....he was almost apologetic? He explained that he liked the look wood siding, but that this portion of the house was most difficult to maintain. I surprised myself in that I'm OK with it. |
bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4288
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 2:17 pm: | |
IMHO the problem with all imitation shingles and shakes is that the pattern of width repeats and doesn't have the random look real shakes has.
JG, having clapboards on the front, aka 'money" side of a house and shakes on the side and back is an old New England tradition. Take a look at the old cape cod style true colonial period houses. Shakes were, and I would bet still are, cheaper than claps (excluding labor).
Our first house here in town, a standard 1920s plan book colonial, had claps on the first floor and shakes on the second floor. I don't think this is all that unusual. |
JGTierney
Citizen
Username: Jtg7448
Post Number: 132
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 2:26 pm: | |
hmmm.
You learn something new everyday.
I'm sure I'll notice it now...
So I guess it's time to say 'sorry' to
Debby - we've drifted quite a bit. |
millie amoresano
Citizen
Username: Millieamoresano
Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 2:48 pm: | |
When it was time for us to redo the outside of our home we did brick and a cement board(hardie planks) around the sides and back of the house.The great thing about the cement board is it looks just like wood,there are alot of different colors to choose from,or you can get it primed at paint what ever color you choose,it dies not rot or crack and will sustain,rain,hail and flying debris. |
millie amoresano
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Username: Millieamoresano
Post Number: 19
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 2:50 pm: | |
check it out at www.jameshardie.com |
emmie
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Username: Emmie
Post Number: 225
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 6:21 pm: | |
I had Pergo floors installed in my kitchen and breakfastnook last fall. I love, love, love them! Easy to clean, look good (to me anyway, and I am the one living here) still not one scratch and I have three indoor cats (with claws) running around. |
Michael K. Mc Kell
Citizen
Username: Greenerose
Post Number: 182
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 7:07 pm: | |
Call me old fashion, but I like REAL WOOD.
Whether it comes in 3' or 20' lengths, 1 or 1,000 different spieces it's still a floor that requires a gentle atsmophere.
Hey the Edsel was a good looking car right?
Michael K. Mc Kell
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emmie
Citizen
Username: Emmie
Post Number: 226
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 9:09 pm: | |
Hey Michael,
Guess what? There are those of us that have to do what is affordable for us! |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 280
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 9:20 pm: | |
Kevin - my daughter had vinal siding installed at her shore house - shakes on one level, clabbords on one and scallops on the thrid floor - it looks good - but it's a shore hosue... I don't think I'd like the look up here... and I know Virgillian wouldn't!  |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 170
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 10:56 pm: | |
The rental property that I would consider it for is not in MW/SO - so don't worry!
However, I am sure that the vinyl shakes and hardie planks (that millie mentioned) all look better than any vinyl or aluminum siding that you get at Home Depot.
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amandacat
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Username: Amandacat
Post Number: 348
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:48 am: | |
Two small additions to this far-ranging conversation.
re: bamboo flooring, my husband's company (a design/build firm) installed bamboo flooring (what specific kind, I'm not sure) in their offices less than a year ago, and though it looked quite attractive at first it has held up terribly, with dings and dents galore. And, mind you, this is not a particularly high-traffic space.
re: cement board, I think they used this product on one of THIS OLD HOUSE's projects a few years back, when they re-did the home of one of the principal contractors on the show. It looked great, just like wood (at least as far as you could tell from the television), nice and solid but without all the rotting worries associated with wood. Millie, what was the cost like as compared to if you went with new wood siding?
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Jackie Day
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Username: Zoesky1
Post Number: 223
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:58 pm: | |
I got Pergo in my kitchen in October, and I also really like it. I have a large dog, a cat, and two active children, plus frequent visits (as in, every day) from their friends. So far, not a single scratch and extremely easy to clean. |
Michael K. Mc Kell
Citizen
Username: Greenerose
Post Number: 183
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 5:55 am: | |
Hey Emmie,
Real wood is cheaper then the garbage posted here.
Michael K. Mc Kell
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bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4310
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 9:18 am: | |
Mike, my problem with most wood veneer flooring I have seen is that the machining of the edges isn’t all that good, unlike Pergo, which is excellent. A lot of lower priced wood veneer floors have a little groove to hide the imperfection, which is a dirt catcher and to my eye not very attractive. |
mtierney
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Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 475
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 2:49 pm: | |
I checked out the hardiboard approach and am really impressed. The boards come plain or with a wood swirl and - best of all - the product comes painted too. Nice colors and of course this would negate the prime and painting costs.
Other attributes according to the website is that it is resistant to rot, insect damage (read termites!) and is fire retardant.
We are considering the material for an investment property and will do comparison studies as well before deciding.
Now if the stuff is squirrel proof - it's a no brainer |
bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4319
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 3:08 pm: | |
I think it is squirrel proof. I doubt if even the most determined squirrel can chew through concrete before becoming toothless.
And ain't 'The Toothless Squirrel" a great name for a bar? |
JGTierney
Citizen
Username: Jtg7448
Post Number: 135
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 3:26 pm: | |
It is!
And six of them belly up daily under my soffits |
millie amoresano
Citizen
Username: Millieamoresano
Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 9:52 pm: | |
Mt tierney as i posted before we have hardiboard on our home.We have had alot of people remark on the real look of it.Most of my husbands customers are installing it on thier homes as well. |
virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 225
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:01 pm: | |
Bobk-
you say "shakes" but few houses around here have shakes. They have shingles. Shakes are much more common out west, or at Daniel Boone style recreations down south. They're hand-split to one degree or another, look shaggy and 'western,' and are rarely used for vertical surfaces. Most around here are machined and uniform shingles. There's a great real shake-roofed western-style pink stucco/board -n- batten ranch house on Ridgewood Road in West Orange, if memory serves. |
virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 226
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:11 pm: | |
And you know all this vinyl siding, in all its various forms, is bad for a wood house. Even with its "breather slots," it keeps the wooden structural members underneath it from breathing. You are quickening rot of the structure by covering up its formerly porous, moisture-exchanging skin.
I guess if you don't care what's happening below the surface of your house this is of no concern.
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virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 230
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 11:01 pm: | |
The concrete plank stuff seems promising, but it's usually installed without the great care of old bevel siding in town--many houses have great bevelled corners, without cornerboards, out of big wide lap siding--and I've never seen this done with it. I assume it's easy enough to work with though and could look good with a good installation(by a finish carpenter trained on wood.) |
bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4324
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 4:46 am: | |
Virg, you are correct. Being a life long nor'eaterner I tend to use the words interchangeably.
My only experience with concrete siding is from watching TV, but I doubt if it can be beveled, I hate to think what the concrete would do to a block plane which is needed to get the angle just right. Corner boards are the way to go with this product. It also isn't beveled, making it stand proud of the plane of the house more than traditional beveled claps. |
bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4328
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:11 am: | |
And Virg, about the Home Depot. If you would stop wearing your vintage 1940s clothes and change your hairstyle from that bun, the guards wouldn't hassle you anywhere near as much. |
Richard O'Connor
Citizen
Username: Roconn
Post Number: 113
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:51 pm: | |
vig .. do you really think the wood members of our houses are still breathing on the exteriors through years and years of paintings?
Latex paints may have no insulating value, but they certainly have sealing value ... and it fills minor cracks and holes pretty well.
Richard (ROC)
--Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic.--
--AIM: ROConn |
Richard O'Connor
Citizen
Username: Roconn
Post Number: 114
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:52 pm: | |
oh, yeah, and isn't this thread about flooring?
Richard (ROC)
--Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic.--
--AIM: ROConn |
virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 232
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:29 pm: | |
Richard,
I've seen what happens under vinyl siding. It's not good.
It's better to see any decay of your house and be able to fix it.
And anyway-plastic degrades, and looks bad even if it hasn't degraded yet.
Vinyl is a foolish quick-fix, a cover-up.
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virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 233
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:30 pm: | |
Richard,
What are the advantages of vinyl siding?
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virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 235
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 7:44 pm: | |
bobk,
You know when when I go to Home Depot, I update the look, fit in. I don't want trouble.
I wear my pastel "Don't go there" sweatshirt over a knit polo collar up-turned, my mall-walker white reeboks, and my Loni Anderson Series designer eyeglasses. With my hair not in a bun, but a sort of Modern Divorcee side-swept assymmetrical "Friends" cut.
They still harrass me!
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Michael K. Mc Kell
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Username: Greenerose
Post Number: 184
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:11 pm: | |
This therad just gets better and better.
Vinyl siding is a disscrace.
There are no advantages to vinyl other then "side it and hide it"
If vinyl continues to pop up, Maplewood will soon look like Union.
Michael K. Mc Kell
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