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Don Perkins
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 263
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 11:32 am: |     |
Carol Mosley Braun is dropping out of the race. Oh and yes, she has decided to pledge her support to none other than Howard Dean.
Can anyone please tell me what the hell was this woman's candidacy all about anyway? How could she have spent four months on the campaign trail without someone pointing out the corruption that surrounded her when she had her government job in Chicago?
Remember this is someone who couldn't even win reelection to the US Senate in her home state of Illinois, and she was running for President?
A Democratic source, (I love that phrase) told CNN that "Carol felt like she had done what she needed to do. She did herself a lot of good in this race."
Say what? She entered a race in which the Democrats have about a snowball's chance in hell of winning, gets no support, runs a feeble campaign and someone tells CNN that she winds up doing a lot of good? Only true liberals could spin one like that.
At least she has more foreign policy experience than any of the others, (including Dean) remember she was once Ambassador to New Zealand and Samoa; two real hot spots in the world.
Who is next to quit? I'll bet whoever it is will also pledge their support to Dean.
And can somone please tell me why Sharpton is running? The man is a professional racist. At least he has proved so much with all of his many accomplishments over the years. Korean Grocers not withstanding. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 400
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 11:46 am: | |
You are very prolific. Do you cut and paste from some intellectual headquarters? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 707
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 11:52 am: | |
There's a lot to be gained by having "former presidential candidate" in your title. Braun had a lousy legacy after her one term -- scandal, lunching with butchers, campaign funding quirks and sexual harassment within her campaign office -- and this goes a long way to rehabbing it. Look at Sharpton. He knows he won't win, but he's getting something out of this -- prestige with the saps that follow him, some money no doubt from more saps, and media. |
mfpark
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 174
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 11:59 am: | |
And, he gets to stay in $3,000 per night hotel rooms on someone else's nickle (gotta love those views from the top!). |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1782
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 1:50 pm: | |
themp, this too comes from the microchip in his skull.
Tell me, though, Don, why any Democrat should have to answer to YOU about why they run for office? You gonna make a contribution? |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 171
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 1:56 pm: | |
Don - Why should anyone have to justify? No sure why this bothers you - it's an election - you can vote. |
Don Perkins
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 266
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 3:05 pm: | |
So, there you have it. I have been told by several Democratic sources, (I simply love that phrase):
a.) that I have a microchip in my skull
b.) that no one needs to justify running for POTUS
c.) and have been accused of being prolific
What's missing? |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2620
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 3:34 pm: | |
I have noticed there is a certain little "clique" that make instant judgements on the poster rather than the post when they disagree, and they get very personal, churlish and nasty at the postER. They show zero tolerance, inflexibility and no appreciation for diversity of opinion of the poster who has different views. It's like they got beat up and mocked out too much in high school, so here's their big chance to make up for it. |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 173
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 6:17 pm: | |
Don - I am not sure what your point is. If they meet all of the legal qualifications to run for POTUS, they should be allowed to. Right? Sure there are some "long shots" in the race but that's not one of the requirements. Aren't there bigger issues to worry about?
Mem - Wha? I have no issue with you but you're right in there with the personal attack / off topic crap. Lighten up. |
NCJanow(akaLibraryLady)
Citizen
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 1157
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 6:20 pm: | |
So who are they gonna endorse now? Boy, was this a stupid move on NOW's part.
August 26, 2003
Today, Women's Equality Day, the National Organization for Women's Political Action Committee is proud to announce our endorsement of former Ambassador and Senator Carol Moseley Braun for President of the United States.
NCJ aka LibraryLady
On a coffee break..or something like it. |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 27
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 6:24 pm: | |
I think this answers Don's question:
http://www.carolforpresident.com/content.php?page=newsroom_speech8
I wouldn't have supported her if I were a Democrat, but I respect her for running. |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 921
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 9:54 pm: | |
I think the last Presidential Candidate whose resume including losing a Senate race in Illinois was Abe Lincoln. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 879
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:40 pm: | |
Braun pushed the boundaries of what an African-American woman can accomplish. She handled herself extremely well during the debates. She is far more articulate and transmits far more integrity than Bush, that's for sure. I think she'll have a lot of doors open to her now. While her lifetime track record is certainly not unblemished, the image she presented during the past few months makes her a real role model. |
Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 210
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 10:45 pm: | |
I agree. She was great. This was not the time for her, but I certainly hope that there will be a time for her in the future.
Pack your own chute. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2621
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:17 am: | |
JJC,
"Mem - Wha? I have no issue with you but you're right in there with the personal attack / off topic crap. Lighten up."
Gee, I'll try.
I was doing a personal attack thing a few threads ago as defense and because I was sick of getting personally attacked myself. I prefer having issue with the topic or the post, not the poster.
All - sorry for the thread drift. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 9:23 am: | |
"Braun pushed the boundaries of what an African-American woman can accomplish."
hmm...Actually, she went unnoticed in most polls. Not sure she accomplished anything. Condi Rice on the other hand has done more for African American women than any other in recent memory.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 881
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:10 pm: | |
Condi does provide a model of success and competence, and she's not as beholden to big business as almost all of Bush's other advisors and cabinet members, although she was on the board of Chevron, and was a director at Charles Schwab and TransAmerica. Obviously, Oprah is another fine, perhaps better, example. But Braun's accomplishments are huge - first & only black woman elected to the Senate, and first & only black woman to seriously enter the presidential race. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:16 pm: | |
but she took a back to seat to Sharpton and his big mouth. It would have been in her best interest to dismiss his theories and nonsense during the debates. I think that would have given her a lift.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Earlster
Citizen
Username: Earlster
Post Number: 104
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:20 pm: | |
Rice is nothin more then a string puppet for Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Oh, and she looks good on photo ops. Maybe that's why she is in this administration. As the affirmative action prop. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 89
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:06 pm: | |
Earlster,
Condoleeza Rice has a PH.D in Russian history, speaks russian fluently. Was the Dean of a major university. She is a brilliant woman. What do you have a degree in? What other languages (besides poor English) do you speak? What academic positions have you held?
Compare her CV to those in the rest of Bush's administration and I think that you'll see she is just as qualified as the rest them. It's too bad that the color of her face and her sex would blind you to that fact.
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JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 174
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:08 pm: | |
It's not what you know - it's what you do with what you know. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 732
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:12 pm: | |
Earlster -- are you saying with your comments on Condi Rice that affirmative action is a race based boon for the unqualified? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4339
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:14 pm: | |
Actually Doctor Rice was Provost, not a Dean, of Stanford University. Personally I consider her one of the more capable people in the administration.
Back on subject, who is next to drop out?
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Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 34
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 3:17 pm: | |
I think Braun's presence set an important precedence for future elections -- she was a long shot, and she knew it. But she has done voters as well as women and minorities seeking political careers an important service. And she made the other candidates address issues that perhaps would have been swept under the table. I think this argument comes down to seeing the bigger picture. |
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