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Wilkanoid
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Username: Cseleosida

Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do NOT understand why some sidewalks are still not shoveled, more than three days since the last snow. It's been long enough.

What really ticks me off is that I see kids navigating these unshoveled sidewalks on their way to and from school. I know some people who are ABLE to shovel the snow, but are have not done it.

The snow will not melt for another week, so what's the story?
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Arnomation
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Username: Arnomation

Post Number: 112
Registered: 7-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was just thinking the same thing. There is a red house that is right next to Tuscan that has about sixty feet of sidewalk covered in ice that we had to traverse this morning. I can't believe they haven't been ticketed or forced to clear it. It's an incredible hazard.
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bobk
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 4398
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you didn't do your walk on Sunday evening, everything froze up solid overnight and you can't shovel ice. I am not being an apoligist for the people who didn't get out on Sunday, but it is a fact.

Maybe a couple of handgrenades? :-)
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1798
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On my street, slightly less than half of the houses have unshoveled walks. The slush has iced over. If they decide to clear it off now, it will be a tough job to crack the ice, and I bet they don't plan on doing it. I guess I'm just comiserating, since I don't see a solution except to stop by and talk with the neighbors or to drop off notes for them.

Is this negligence a new phenomenon in this town? This is my first winter here.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 6175
Registered: 4-1998


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was a really short timeframe between snowfall and when it froze. I managed to get to the sidewalk, but by the time I turned to the driveway it was solid. People should at least throw sand down.
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Wilkanoid
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Username: Cseleosida

Post Number: 91
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Negligence does seem to be a new thing. We have been in Maplewood more than five years, and this is the first time this has happened. People are normally out shoveling as soon as the snow stops. Maybe Sunday night football had something to do with it. It's easier to sit at the pub watching the game with a beer than to go out and do the right thing.

If things are solidly frozen over, then wouldn't it make sense to put down ice or sand?
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1801
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If things are solidly frozen over, then wouldn't it make sense to put down ice or sand?

Sand, yes. Ice? Oh, you mean salt!
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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Wilkanoid
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Username: Cseleosida

Post Number: 92
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ooops, slip of the finger. Ice on the sand could be one way to read that mis-typed sentence. But you're right, I really did mean salt or sand.

Raid your sandboxes, if the cats haven't gotten to them yet!
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marian
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Username: Marian

Post Number: 74
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 10:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salt and sand would be good folks. There's really no excuse for not throwing some down on your sidewalks, front walks and steps. Please think about your neighbors, mail carriers, delivery persons, etc. who must walk on these dangerous icy surfaces. (If I can’t appeal to your human decency, then at least consider your legal liability if someone breaks their neck on your front steps!)

Also, who's responsible for clearing the sidewalk by the train tracks on Dunnell? There's a good 50-75 yard stretch that is sheer ice (no sand, no salt) and really scary to walk on. I'm surprised that someone hasn't slipped and broken something while running for a train yet. I asked the woman behind the concierge’s desk in the station yesterday about it and she said she'd tell the station's handymen but it was still awful this a.m......
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algebra2
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Username: Algebra2

Post Number: 1556
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 10:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and Maplewood Avenue (where the commuter parking is) is horrible.
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SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady

Post Number: 301
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 10:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can buy "pet friendly" ice melters instead of using salt. I had to buy booties for my dog - he couldn't make it around the block without limping! He's still not used to them.. sort of prances like a show horse..
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thegoodsgt
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Username: Thegoodsgt

Post Number: 366
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there an ordinance in Maplewood or South Orange for clearing one's sidewalks? If so, who enforces it? If it's not being enforced, should they be removed from the books?

I don't see how we can afford homes valued at $250K to $1 million with property taxes that approach $12K/yr. yet we cannot afford to pay a couple of hustlers $50 to clear the snow.
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Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio

Post Number: 371
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some of the worst offenders are on Maplewood Ave. between Jefferson and the town. I would cut anyone slack just on the basis of the last storm because I shovelled twice and still have some icy areas on my driveway and sidewalk (the salt melts it but then it freezes up again). Unfortunately , I've noticed it's the same houses who never clear the snow properly and these again are the worst on that particular stretch. Any Maplewood police on line ?. Ticket these lazy sods ASAP, it may save someone from getting hurt (and save the negligent owner a fortune over a law suit).
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Mayhewdrive
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 726
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard of S.O. issuing warnings on my street for some sidewalks that are not clean. Although, it seems they have not been discriminating between people who TRIED to clear the sidwalk (and left some residual ice) and people who didn't even bother to shovel at all.

Ironically, there are also some patches of road with residual ice...who is enforcing that?
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Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa

Post Number: 601
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I watched a news story on the icy sidewalks in NY. Apparently most of the government buildings were closed Monday (MLK) so the maintenance crews were not there to shovel the snow and salt the sidewalks. Once it all froze over it became a very difficult and time consuming job. So the city has been very lax in enforcing the law because they would in effect be ticketing themselves.

Is that what’s going on around here? The town is hesitant to ticket because they didn’t get the job done themselves.
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SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady

Post Number: 303
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thegoodsgt: You don't find many "door to door" shovelers these days. I live on a fairly busy street, but, no one has knocked on my door in years. Whatever happened to enterprising teens who wanted to make some quick cash?
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 1832
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 12:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

all this whining! Apparently like Dave said there was a small window of opportunity to shovel since there was slush, then it froze, then snow - or something like that - I wouldn't know though since we were OUT OF TOWN for the 3 day weekend. I would imagine this would be true for many. We did our best with the icy drive and walk when we got back. Thanks to our neighbors for doing the sidewalk. We all seem to help each other out in these situations.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider

Post Number: 1810
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 12:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thegoodsgt, I believe all towns require homeowners to keep their sidewalks (if any) safe to walk on. I haven't heard specifically that SO/M have such ordinances, but I'm willing to bet money that they do.

After the first big snowfall of the seasons, I had a young adult man come to my door and shoveled my walk and driveway for a fee. Since then, no one else has offered.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1831
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And what's with the platform at the South Orange train station?
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steven
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Username: Steven

Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

128 and 130 Maplewood Ave should have their owners driven out of town my a rioting crowd. They have not even tried to clear those walks. Get some salt and toss it out. It is not too hard or too expensive.

Both houses are owned by able bodied adults. Two of the houses on the same side of the street with older and less able owners have nice wide clear sidewalks. Shame on you 128 and 130.

Yes I slipped last night and I am angry. I half wish I broke a bone so I could sue.

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