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     Earlster Citizen Username: Earlster Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2003 |
And if you shovel, please shovel wide enough for a stroller to pass through. We push our daughter for her nap most days, and it is 'on the street', 'off the street' all the time. | ||
| Jackie Day Citizen Username: Zoesky1 Post Number: 225 Registered: 6-2003 |
Boy, I'm actually glad I live on a street without sidewalks! Nothing to shovel but our own driveways and pathways to the door! But seriously, I agree. There is no excuse for people who do have sidewalks not to shovel them. It's a civil responsibility with public health ramifications. I have to add an extra couple of minutes to my walk to the train station to cope with the ice, but aside from the inconvenience the idea of falling and cracking my head open in the dark isn't too appealing. Buy a shovel and use it! If it's frozen, too bad, the rules still apply - get a hot kettle and use boiling water to at least melt a narrow passage. That's what we did growing up in the frozen north of Rochester NY. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1812 Registered: 1-2003  |
Look what you can do with http://www.anywho.com. You can ask who lives on a given street. I found the people on Maplewood Ave with a little searching. http://www.anywho.com/qry/wp_fap?street=Maplewood+Ave&city=MAPLEWOOD&STATE=NJ&wh iteshark.type=a Tom Reingold the prissy-pants There is nothing | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4404 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think posting addresses and then names of individuals is a little over the top. I think we have gone through this before here on MOL, most recently in connection with an extensive renovation many found offensive. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1815 Registered: 1-2003 |
Sorry about that. I was trying to show that you can find the people if you feel you need to. Tom Reingold the prissy-pants There is nothing | ||
| Wilkanoid Citizen Username: Cseleosida Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2002 |
To bring this all back into perspective (if that's at all possible), my problem is with people who have ABILITY to do it, but haven't. Some of you have TRIED, and that's what counts. As I said, it's been three days. Think about how long it has been, and how much longer we will have to put up with this if people don't at least try to do something about it. SAND. | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2001 |
thegoodsgt, The following url provides the M'wood ordinance language, and links to the S.O. ordinance. /discus/messages/129/15450.html?1046344317 TomR. | ||
| algebra2 Citizen Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 1558 Registered: 5-2001  |
I think we have gone through this before here on MOL, most recently in connection with an extensive renovation many found offensive. That was ME. I was the offender!!! | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2001 |
As a follow up to my above post, I don't know if the links provide the ordinances' current language. Also, there's been some talk above about slip and fall law suits. Does anybody know the status of the law in the great State of New Jersey for such suits in situations where an owner hasn't shoveled? TomR | ||
| rckymtn Citizen Username: Rckymtn Post Number: 222 Registered: 5-2001 |
Today's about the only day that's been warm enough to loosen the ice enough to break it apart and shovel it. I did my walks and my neigbors' Sunday night after the snow stopped and the plows came back during the night and tossed slush halfway up into my yard, covering my walks with 6 inches of ice (there was only 4 inches of snow). It was impossible to clean on Monday. Every night I've tried to do a bit more and now they're pretty much passable, for the width of the sidewalk. You can't just toss salt or icemelt out there -- it may melt, but it freezes up again and you have to do it all over again. Some of you act like people are out to get you or something. And no, I don't live at 128 or 130 Maplewood Avenue, thank goodness. And most people don't just have sand sitting around waiting to be thrown on the sidewalk. And people who work in the city are getting up far too early and home far too late to do much good with the walks. And there are a lot of elderly people in my neighborhood, the last thing I want is for them to go out on the ice and try to shovel it. Just offering some defenses for those who are being attacked here and may have good reasons for not having done their walks yet. | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2003 |
From what I have been told is that in South Orange you must shovel your sidewalk within 12 hours of when the snow stops. Also I do know that South Orange has issued warnings to those who have not shoveled their sidewalks yet, and I beleive that fines will be the next step if the sidewalk is not taken care of. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4405 Registered: 5-2001 |
And don't forget shovel wide enough for a stroller and use dog friendly ice melt.  | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 373 Registered: 6-2003 |
I have no problem with cutting people slack on this issue on a one time basis. The problem on Maplewood Ave. repeats itself every storm and it's always the same houses. I say ticket em and keep ticketing em, until they act like responsible adults | ||
| Cynicalgirl Citizen Username: Cynicalgirl Post Number: 343 Registered: 9-2003  |
How shovelled is shovelled? We melted the stuff on our steps and part of the walk. Made a serious dent in the front sidewalk. Nothing exposed is slippery, but neither is it completely down to the concrete. Both out of the house all day from 7:15 to 6:15. Not on Maplewood Avenue! | ||
| Wilkanoid Citizen Username: Cseleosida Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
rckymtn --- I appreciate the fact that you are offering excuses for people who don't necessarily speak on MOL. I suppose if you look at it calmly, this should remind people that they do have a responsibility that they have yet to fulfill. "Every night I've tried to do a bit more and now they're pretty much passable, for the width of the sidewalk" -- You're obviously doing your share. "people who work in the city are getting up far too early and home far too late to do much good with the walks" -- I'm sorry, but all of us have to work. There must be a better excuse than this. "And there are a lot of elderly people in my neighborhood, the last thing I want is for them to go out on the ice and try to shovel it" -- no one is asking them to. If you cannot do it yourself, you need to find someone who can. No judgements, just reminding people that clearing your walks is something you NEED to do, mostly because it affects other peoples' safety. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1818 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ukealalio, wouldn't it make more sense to talk (or write) to the people directly before contacting the police? As Miss Manners says, the law is a blunt instrument. Tom Reingold the prissy-pants There is nothing | ||
| ashear Citizen Username: Ashear Post Number: 924 Registered: 5-2001 |
The trick with salt is to throw it down and let it work for a bit and the shovel away the melted stuff. It also makes it easier to break up the ice. | ||
| algebra2 Citizen Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 1559 Registered: 5-2001 |
AND ... Monday was great for shoveling! It was sunny and beautiful out. I threw down salt waited a few hours for it to melt a bit and shoveled it right up. RkyMtn -- my husband has been taking the 5:20 am train and I am on the 7:44 and we have to get our son ready for school and make lunch and yada yada yada and we don't get home until it's dark AND our walk is shoveled! If you don't have sand handy and are not able to get to Home Depot than fireplace ashes or a bag of kitty litter from King's works just as well on icey walks. | ||
| Waldo Citizen Username: Discowaldo Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2003 |
Instead of complaining about our neighbors why dont we offer some help? I know its not our job to shovel their sidewalk, but we all have to live together so we mite as well be friendly. And hey you never know, maybe they will be so gratefull they will bake you some cookies! When I was younger I used to shovel my neighbors sidewalk everytime it snowed. They were not elderly or disabled, but I was already out there in the cold shoveling, I mite as well save them the trouble. I know everyone is busy and we all have jobs and lives, but think about how great you would feel if you were outside struggling with your frozen tundra of a sidewalk and your neighbor came out and lended a hand. Just a friendly suggestion. | ||
| clkelley Citizen Username: Clkelley Post Number: 60 Registered: 6-2002 |
Just because somebody appears to be able-bodied doesn't mean they can shovel snow. I am married to a person with a hidden disability (arthritis) and snow-shovelling is out of the question for him. I am the designated snow-shoveller, but if I am sick or otherwise unable to do it then it doesn't get done. I'm not very strong by the way, and if I crap out half way through, then it doesn't get finished. Why don't you get off your high horses and shovel your neighbor's walk if it peeves you that much. My neighbors do this for us - they have taken the time to get to know us, and know that we aren't always able to do it. I usually bake them cookies if the dad does it, pay money if one of the teenagers does it. And I try to be a good neighbor back. They have also shovelled for us when we have been out of town. Neighbors like that are worth their weight in GOLD. Neighbors who grouse without knowing the truth are not. Sorry for ranting - this hits a nerve. I cannot stand it when people pass judgment on others without knowing the truth. Even worse is "outing" them publicly. Wouldn't it make more sense to approach the homeowners directly, and ask them politely if they need help cleaning off their walk as you see it hasn't been done yet? They may be very grateful if they really need the help. And you'll get to know your neighbors. If they don't need the help, they'll probably be embarrassed into taking care of it. And you'll still get to know your neighbors. And no, I don't live anywhere near Maplewood Ave. either. |
