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Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 411
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 2:23 pm: |     |
Face it Straw, if you truly want to support your right wing causes, you have to stop listening to the Dead. Of course it's a free country but your Dead purchases are quietly going to support the enemy.
Can you spell-WAYNE NEWTON ?. |
Dave
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6276
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 2:28 pm: | |
Actually I know a right wing political consultant who's a huge Dead fan. I think the Dead have more of a libertarian fan base than liberal. |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1899
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 2:30 pm: | |
"supported Jerry Brown when he ran for governor of Ca., and Barry Commoner when he ran for Prez in 1980."
Yeah, well it's no secret, years of drug abuse can cause you to do stupid things, like support Jerry Brown..
Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 946
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 2:58 pm: | |
I get a kick out of libertarian phonies like you, paying big bucks to go to GD concerts in the 1980's, thinking you were part of a truly unique experience, and then having the band take your money and using it to support political and socially responsible organizations you rail against!
It still doesn't get any better than that! |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1900
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 3:25 pm: | |
Is there an echo in here?
Here's the difference between you and me, Wharfie.
You used Dead shows as some form of identity. You know, freaks united type of stuff. You were there to buy the tie-dyes, maybe even sell a few, hang out in the parking lot and drink beer, do whipits, maybe drop some funny little pills.
You know the scene man, you were there for the scene, for your identity, for your core existance.
Me, I was there to see a good rock concert and maybe a little hippie chic action on the side.
You see the difference?
Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 488
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 4:13 pm: | |
Ewww. Voyeur-Straw. How disgusting.
Bob Weir played at Clinton's inauguration. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/inaug/events/balls.htm
John Barlowe, co-lyricist on most of Weir's tunes, founded the Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://eff.org/) and was one of JFK Jr.'s best friends.
Jerry was an avid SCUBA diver and cared very much for the environment.
I think that makes it apparent what the Grateful Dead supported, and it wasn't Big Business or gutting environmental laws. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 948
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 5:17 pm: | |
Actually Straw-
I went to Dead shows because I was in a band, and was interested in the music. I had a music teacher who had the sheet music to "Mama Tried". He wanted us to learn it, and I thought this was just ridiculous country music until he played a tape of the GD performing it.
I stopped going to shows when you were probably a nose-picking ten year old.
I wasn't into whip-its, parking lot scenes, hippie united crap, or tie dyed tee shirts.
I was into the "ladies", though.
To wit-
I get a kick out of non-voting, libertarian phonies like you, paying big bucks to go to GD concerts in the 1980's, thinking you were part of a truly unique experience, and then having the band take your money and using it to support political and socially responsible organizations you rail against!
It still doesn't get any better than that!
Perhaps you hear me now?!  |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1901
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 5:18 pm: | |
The Bohemian Grove is located in Sonoma County in California, north of San Francisco. The Bohemian Grove is the country retreat of the Bohemian Club, a private men's club headquartered in San Francisco. Each summer the club holds a gathering at the Grove, usually around the last two weeks in July. The club has over 2000 members, with no racial, religious or political restrictions on membership, but new members must be sponsored and approved, and there is a considerable waiting list. The club has a focus on the arts, music, and theater.
The Bohemian Grove has a reputation as being a gathering spot for some of the nation's wealthiest individuals and most powerful politicians. While this is true, it should be noted that the Grove is also attended by many with no claim to fame. The material here focuses more on individuals who are already prominent. A lot of my photographic coverage was made at a local airport used by some of the Bohemian Club members and guests traveling to and from the Grove from other parts of the country. As a result, individuals pictured are likely to live and work elsewhere than the San Francisco Bay area where the club's membership is concentrated. My photo coverage of the Grove spans a period of more than ten years, so it cannot be assumed that anyone pictured was at the Grove at the same time as someone in another photo.
Some of those who have attended these annual meetings include: Ronald Reagan, George Shultz, Colin Powell,Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Richard Cheney, Caspar Weinberger, Malcolm Forbes, Jack Kemp, Alan Greenspan, Newt Gingrich and The Great Strawberry.
Guess who the feature performer was in 2003?? Mr. Bob Weir.
Thank You, and remember Republicans always win.
Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 949
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 5:27 pm: | |
Hey, Bill Simon, Jr., failed GOP gov. wanna-be was a Deadhead, and pot-head, too. What does that prove?
I'm sure Ace was well-paid for his gig. Remember, he used some of his proceeds to bankroll the Rex Foundation.
No they don't. |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1903
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 5:27 pm: | |
STOPPED GOING TO SHOW'S WHARFIE??
Well, I just caught Weir's band at the Beacon back in November and they were on top of their game. I suggest, you check out Weir, Lesh or even the Dead when they return this Spring. They can still get it on. I'm sure even someone as "old" as you can appreciate that.
Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 950
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 5:40 pm: | |
Straw-
I stopped going to shows for two reasons
1.Dead/Weir et al have done nothing new/original in 30 years.
2. Guys like you started showing up at the shows.
Go Pats! |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 412
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 1, 2004 - 11:49 pm: | |
After reading this exchange, I'm left thinking Straw's actually Douglas Needermeyer from Animal House.
Lincoln Tunnel fee-6 Bucks
New York Subway fare-2 Bucks
Reading Straw comment on Dead shows-"I was there to see a good rock concert and maybe a little hippie chick action on the side"-PRICELESS |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 489
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 1:23 am: | |
Let's just leave it at this, shall we?
An Elegy for Jerry
(by Robert Hunter)
Jerry, my friend,
you've done it again,
even in your silence
the familiar pressure
comes to bear, demanding
I pull words from the air
with only this morning
and part of the afternoon
to compose an ode worthy
of one so particular
about every turn of phrase,
demanding it hit home
in a thousand ways
before making it his own,
and this I can't do alone.
Now that the singer is gone,
where shall I go for the song?
Without your melody and tase
to lend an attitude of grace
a lyric is an orphan thing,
a hive with neither honey's taste
nor power to truly sting.
What choice have I but to dare and
call your muse who thought to rest
out of the thin blue air
that out of the field of shared time,
a line or two might chance to shine --
As ever when we called,
in hope if not in words,
the muse descends.
How should she desert us now?
Scars of battle on her brow,
bedraggled feathers on her wings,
and yet she sings, she sings!
May she bear thee to thy rest,
the ancient bower of flowers
beyond the solitude of days,
the tyranny of hours--
the wreath of shining laurel lie
upon your shaggy head
bestowing power to play the lyre
to legions of the dead
If some part of that music
is heard in deepest dream,
or on some breeze of Summer
a snatch of golden theme,
we'll know you live inside us
with love that never parts
our good old Jack O'Diamonds
become the King of Hearts.
I feel your silent laughter
at sentiments so bold
that dare to step across the line
to tell what must be told,
so I'll just say I love you,
which I never said before
and let it go at that old friend
the rest you may ignore.
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Robert Hunter, August 11, 1995 |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1906
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 9:21 am: | |
Thanks Bets.
My favorite Jerry story was told shortly after he died. It was some guy who lived in the S.F. house with Jerry and the rest during the 60's.
He said, anyone could live there, but if you hung with Jerry you had better be prepared to work at the music. Jerry may have been a dopey hippie, but he was all business when it came to his job.
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1869
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:16 am: | |
Been away, just got back. Straw, your comment about Pig. YOu're off man, but I'll give you a break since you're just a youngin'!
Best GD is 1967 through 78. THere were moments of brilliance in the 17 years after that but so sporadic because the drug addiction thing started to take Jerry over in late 1970s.
Brent Midland so sucked. And Keith was usually in his drug-induced sleepiness to offer much, but Donna was great. Pig of course was a master.
And Ratdog sucks- well I was just never a total "bobby" fan anyway but Jerry was the best. The Other Ones are fun but I'm too old now to get worked up.
Going to shows in the 70s rocked. Tickets for 8 dollars, smaller venues. No idiotic parking lot scene. It was a groovy hippy time .
Dawg music rules! |
Grateful Straw
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1907
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:38 am: | |
Rat dog is much improved. It's all Dead music now, Jerry and Bobby tunes. No more of the queer weir stuff.
As a matter of fact, the show I saw included:
1) Shake Down
2) Loser
3) He's Gone
Ratdog also played a few JG Band tunes, which was pretty cool.
Brent did not suck. He has monster vocals and he absolutely errupted on the keys. Like an explosion. While it's unfair to compare anything to the 70's Dead, they did a fine job in the 80s, especially after Jerry returned from the coma. (Though the Touch of Gray crap was for the birds)
Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1870
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 11:11 am: | |
on Brent I guess we'll just have to disagree! A Brent tune was a bathroom break time for me. I think it's that I just don't like guys with falsetto voices (okay, exageration) singing 15 tons of steel, etc. Gives me the creeps.
Glad to hear Weir has seen light of day. Ace was his best, though. |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 416
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 12:15 pm: | |
What a long strange trip it's been, indeed. I'm as responsible as the next poster for hijacking an original post about the Beatles and turning it to the Dead.
OK the Dead made their contribution but as far as greatest groups of all time nobody can top (at least not yet, I'm waiting) the Beatles.
The Beatles were kings of the counter-culture as well as being the most popular, pop group of all time. I wish we could see the likes of them again but nobody seems to be able to come close. Today there's great music and Pop stars and never the twain do meet. |
musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 437
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 1:48 pm: | |
Nice to see in "modern music" the biggest thing is 2 girls kissings and a ripped blouse!
What a business! |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1958
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
Uke, I think it may be because to be both popular and counter-culture, the stars are trying just to shock. The way I see it, the Beatles did what they wanted, and the shock was the result, not the aim. And the more they try to shock us these days, the less we're shocked. And we're not impressed with their art, either.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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Dave
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6279
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 2:07 pm: | |
The Stones were the counter-culture kings, not the Beatles. |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 339
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 4:05 pm: | |
oh Dave, you young pup... the Stones were the "bad boys" they wanted Satisfaction and Girly Action, apart from Elvis' gyrations - they were the original "shock & awe" .. the Beatles only wanted to Hold Your Hand.... however, their evolution/revolution of popular music was geared to the counter culture of the time. No one, past or present, can touch them! |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 43
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:26 pm: | |
Musicme and Tom R. are on the right track: many rock artists of the sixties were not trying to contrive shocking behavior, they lived it. The Rollingstones were bad boys, and weren’t afraid to write songs about Satan’s charms or British colonists having sex with their slaves. The Byrds were the fist major act to insist on full creative control of their recordings, and at the same time they gave up their tailored suits in favor of denim and corduroy – a powerful affront to the handlers of the era. (Even the Beatles’ manager insisted on keeping the matching Henley suits for a couple of years beyond that.) Jimi Hendrix really burned his guitars on stage; Pete Townsend really smashed his. Probably the most famous genuine political dissident was Jim Morrison. Personally, I’m ambivalent about most of Morrison’s music, but his uninhibited zeal in support of freedom of expression was revolutionary. Madonna kissing Britney? Give me a break. Morrison whipped it out on stage while cops were waiting in the wings to arrest him for lewdness! (Of course he’s pushing daisies now because he couldn’t control his substance abuse, but he was the real deal.) My personal favorite, not as well known as Morrison but at least as outrageous, was Brother John Sinclair, manager of the group MC5 and founder of the White Panthers. His strident behavior completely alienated the group’s record label, Elektra, and Sinclair was later sentenced to 10 years for felony possession of a single reefer.
There is still plenty of good new music these days. But when the biggest names of the day perform at halftime of the Super Bowl, you know the handlers are back in charge of public spectacles. Here’s another way to look at it. Super Bowl I was played in 1967. Vince Lombardi coached the Green Bay Packers to victory over the Kansan City Chiefs. Bart Starr was the winning quarterback. The halftime show was a marching band. Who were the most popular music acts of the day? Can you imagine that anyone would have even thought to invite Jim Morrison to perform at halftime, live on national TV? Or Jimi Hendrix? And thank God they didn’t.
Kick out jams…
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musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 439
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:29 pm: | |
[ad deleted] |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 44
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:51 pm: | |
Aw, man, I'm gonna be away on vacation on Feb. 20. I love seeing the Nightmares -- it's been too long. |
musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 441
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 8:46 am: | |
Sorry Dave.
though it's barely an ad...
We don't make enuf money for it to be an ad. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 124
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 9:36 am: | |
Al Hurt, the trumpet player, also performed at Halftime of the first Super Bowl. And I wouldn't be surprised if Pete Rozelle looked into getting some of the popular acts of the day to play at halftime, but this being the first one--a game played in front of 30,000 empty seats--he probably couldn't find a lot of takers. |
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