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vor
Citizen
Username: Vor
Post Number: 157
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 9:52 am: |     |
I was on the 6:34 out of MW this morning. When we got to SO station someone slipped and fell on the platform and, according to the conductor, needed medical attention and was too close to the train for us to move. It took over 45 MINUTES for an ambulance to arrive. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT! |
kevin
Citizen
Username: Kevin
Post Number: 185
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 10:44 am: | |
I saw someone salting the platform at 7:30ish this morning...didn't know that something happened earlier.
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4508
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 11:19 am: | |
The First Aid Squad is maybe 100 yards from the station. The more likely scenario is that the patient had to be stabilized before being moved.
While frustrating, I don't think NJT can, or should, leave the wounded on the side of the track.  |
vor
Citizen
Username: Vor
Post Number: 158
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 11:33 am: | |
bobk
Don't get me wrong I'm not frustrated with NJT, of course the poor guy shouldn't have been left alone, but when we finally started moving again the conductor made an announcement that it took over 45 minutes for someone to show up. Doesn't give one the warm and fuzzies regarding response time.
Anyway, hope the guy is ok. |
brusin2
Citizen
Username: Brusin2
Post Number: 13
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 11:39 am: | |
The man next to me called the Fire Station at 7:15 -- they had not been called even though the station was visible from the train. It wasn't a question of stabilizing the patient -- that took about 5 minutes once they were there. they didn't get there until 7:20! |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 195
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 11:57 am: | |
How cold are you people? So you got to work a little bit late. At least you were not taken away by an ambulance! And since none of you are (1) paramedics, or (2) really know what happened, why don't you shut it instead of trying to find someone to blame. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4509
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 12:18 pm: | |
From Bruisin2's post it appears that NJT didn't notify the local authorities. A possible scenario is that they notified the NJT Police, who were dispatching an officer to check the situation and do an investigation before calling the local First Aid Squad.
Luckily the poor SOB wasn't in cardiac arrest.  |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1891
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 12:32 pm: | |
So why can't NJT clear the snow off already? It's a wonder nobody's fallen in front of a train, the way the center platform has been. |
Copperfield
Citizen
Username: Copperfield
Post Number: 12
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 1:01 pm: | |
The Times, on Saturday, had an article on snow delays affecting mass transit in the region.
But following their long-standing policy of pretending that New Jersey doesn't exist, they only focused on Metro North and (fleetingly) the LIRR. |
vor
Citizen
Username: Vor
Post Number: 159
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 2:36 pm: | |
Hey JJC
"Why don't you shut it...". What's up? Monday morning blues? I wasn't looking to blame anyone, I was making and observation that it took 45 minutes for this poor guy to get some help, and as a resident of this (these) community(s) it concerned me. As Bob asked, what if this man was in cardiac arrest?
Anyway, as I previously stated hope the poor guy is ok.
BTW, I was taught when I was a very young child that telling someone to "shut up" (or "shut it" in this case) is extremely rude. Just in case you didn't know |
NinersMan
Citizen
Username: Ninersman
Post Number: 15
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 2:41 pm: | |
I was on the train, and 1 row away from the door where the guy fell/slipped. NJTransit policy is to NOT move a train until medical help arrives, if a passenger gets sick/hurt. PERIOD. There was no ice/snow on the platform, although, yes, salt. He was hurrying to make the train, and started to scream....He was like 2 inches from the door. This was at 6:50AM. I got off the train(Literally stepping over him) to get a cup of coffee at Kate N Abby's. I could NOT believe how long it took for help to arrive. He could've dragged himself by his tongue to St. Barnabas in the 40-odd minutes it took EMS to arrive....Bottom line: don't hurt yourself on the S.Orange platform. |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 196
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 2:59 pm: | |
Vor - Sorry - Monday AM's are not my best time. Rudeness aside, my point was that you should show a little compassion and try to find out what happened before you start pointing fingers at people. I imagine that you were so concerned that you did something to help? No? I didn't think so. You're original post showed more concern about the time lost than the injured person. |
Copperfield
Citizen
Username: Copperfield
Post Number: 13
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 4:28 pm: | |
Not to jump in JJC, but the Vor's original post was only about expressing concern that it took 45 minutes for an ambulance to get there to help whoever it was got hurt- an absurd amount of time. In a subsequent post he also repeated his concern about the response time. Nowhere did he say he was impatient and wanted to get into the office.
Do you guys have a long-standing feud or do you just have it in for him? |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2405
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 4:51 pm: | |
Does anyone know if the person who fell on the platform is ok? 45 minutes is a long time to wait for assistence, especially in this weather.
Did he remain sprawled on the platform? If so, did anyone think to throw something over him to keep him warm?
Did anyone stay with him until help arrived? From the above description, I can just picture the poor person lying prone on the platform (mustn't move him until help arrives) while everyone else sat in the warm train fuming. I trust that image is far from the reality of what happened this morning.
I wonder what would have happened if a passenger on the train hadn't finally called the SO FD. It sounds as if NJT's emergency procedures need a little work. |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 198
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 5:06 pm: | |
I don't have it in for anyone - it really not about me. What I can tell you is that I have been riding the train long enough to know how cold and self-centered people can be. I don't come from this - and it really bothers me. 45 minutes is quite a long time for a trainload of people to sit around waiting for someone else to do something. It does not paint a pretty picture. We need to do a better job of taking care of one another. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4513
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 6:05 pm: | |
I still think NJT was waiting until their police officer showed up to do an investigation before calling an ambulance. They probably want to protect themselves from lawsuits by having good documentation. The funny thing is that by leaving someone on a platform for 30 to 40 minutes they probably opened themselves up for a larger suit than if they had just called the ambulance corp in the first place.
I really can't see any other explanation. Anybody else want to try? |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 7:45 pm: | |
bobk, I hope you're wrong, because that's an example of worrying about liability more than the care the guy was due. In other words, let's cover our asses and make sure it doesn't look like we took care of him adequately, and never mind if we really do take care of him.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2407
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 4:55 pm: | |
I asked the conductor on my train going in this morning if he knew what had happened yesterday. According to him, the potential passenger literally collided with the train, fell down on the platform and was unable to get up by himself. The conductor also said that the crew of that train did call 911 as soon as the incident occurred. |
robdan
Citizen
Username: Robdan
Post Number: 353
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 5:31 pm: | |
I believe South Orange has an all-volunteer rescue squad. Daytime coverage is notoriously difficult for volunteer squads, especially in the few hours when people are coming and going to work. So even if NJT made the call right away, it may have taken time to get enough vols to respond and/or get mutual aid from another town. Emphasis in last sentence is "may" as I don't know the specific circumstances in this case. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4521
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 5:49 pm: | |
If SO was aware of the situation they would have called in an ambulance from St. Barnabas or the Maplewood FD which has trained paramedics. Certainly the SO Police would have responded at the very least.
I don't know if the SO Fire Department is trained the same way. I still think the crew was waiting for instructions from headquarters. |
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