| Author | Message | ||
     harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1176 Registered: 6-2001 |
ffof, I forgot to ask: Why did you think lumpyhead's question was a good question? | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2226 Registered: 12-2001  |
Ed seems to be back on the subject of illegal students as opposed to the more worthwhile debate about how to better fund education and how to improve results in impoverished school districts. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 671 Registered: 3-2002  |
I think Straw might have completely stolen someone's sense of humor. | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1178 Registered: 6-2001 |
tjohn, If you saw that spending more on education in impoverished districts produced improvement, would you be willing to spend more to continue it, even if it meant paying more in taxes? | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2230 Registered: 12-2001 |
Harpo, Yes I would to a point. If spending twice as much per student produces only a 10% improvement, I would require a lot of convincing. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 1912 Registered: 5-2001  |
Harpo - New York State doesn't have a property tax system? THis is from the Larchmont site (I just randomly picked a New York town) and it says "Property taxes support programs and services at the County, Town, School District, and Village level, with each jurisdiction making independent decisions about their budgets. " It went on to say that about 50 % of the taxes go toward schools. TYVM. and lumpy's question was funny. | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1180 Registered: 6-2001 |
ffof, I hadn't realized you didn't understand that when people talk about ending the overeliance on property taxes to fund education in New Jersey, they are not talking about abolishing all property taxes. New York State uses its income tax, among other taxes, to provide state aid to schools, and yes: School districts do make independent decisions about their budgets, so I don't know what you are so afraid of. I think there are ways in which New Jersey in rewriting its laws could improve on what New York does in many ways. But would you object to a system in New Jersey that makes Peapack or Summitt pick up 50 percent of its local school costs through a property tax while M/SO picks up 30 percent of its own, the rest being made up by state funding? What does "TYVM" mean? What was funny about lumpy's question? Did you read my answer? | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 877 Registered: 8-2003 |
"Spending twice as much"????? That New Jersey spends more than any state I know per kid and still asks about spending even MORE on top of that to correct problems that refuse to go away........it just boggles my mind. And 'well....tax reform won't happen' and throw up your hands and resume taxing yourselves silly via property taxes.... The status quo has you all. You can bitch and moan and tweak things around, but they have you. I guess you've all learned to lie back and try enjoy it. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 2065 Registered: 1-2003  |
cjc, your choice of words makes me think you haven't been paying attention. We're arguing over how to change the status quo and what the effects would be. I think you have failed to notice how much we agree with you this time. Tom Reingold the prissy-pants There is nothing | ||
| tip Citizen Username: Tip Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2001 |
Aren't Newark teachers one of the highest paid in the State? | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1181 Registered: 6-2001 |
tjohn, There are school districts all over America that spend half of what we do per pupil and we are not doing twice as high as they are school performance. Why shouldn't we cut our spending to match theirs since the results they with half the money our comparable to ours? Do you apply the same money formula to children who are physically disabled? If it costs three times as much taxpayer money to deliver a quality education to physically disabled children, what should their grade point average be? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2734 Registered: 5-2001  |
TYVM - thank you very much! Ha Ha Ha! Who's the smarty pants now? | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 1915 Registered: 5-2001 |
oh go ahead and mealy mouth your way around it harpo. NJ, the state, already does give out different amounts to different municipalities, so percentage-wise each town already is different anyway. Seems to me this whole time you've been championing income tax as the sole way to fund education but now you're saying we just need to not be "over"reliant on property tax. Well that's a horse of another color. TYVM. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 2069 Registered: 1-2003 |
mem, you're crazy! Tom Reingold the prissy-pants There is nothing | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1182 Registered: 6-2001 |
tip, I don't know the rankings, but would there be something wrong with that? Colleges compete fiercely for talented, creative teachers who they think will boost their students' performances. Most businesses do the same. Recognizing that people have a low regard for Newark's schools, why not use money to attract and retain quality teachers? That's how the world works elsewhere. Why would Newark be different and only self-sacrificing saints need apply? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2736 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tom, you're prissy pantsy!  | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1183 Registered: 6-2001 |
ffof, There is a significant difference between using a progressive state income tax, which I have been plainly advocating in this thread, to fund the NJ school system and the Rube Goldberg machine of "state aid" that does little to relieve educational inequity or even lower our property taxes while continuing to drive families out of their homes and forcing communities into ugly overdevelopment, often against the interests of local residents, just to keep up with rising education bills. Do you really not see the difference? Why do you think a constitutional convention was proposed to address the issue? | ||
| harpo Citizen Username: Harpo Post Number: 1184 Registered: 6-2001 |
mem, TYVM. At least some of us want to keep learning past grade school, so that's why we ask questions. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 879 Registered: 8-2003 |
Tom...I"m not missing a thing. You are talking. you are arguing. you're talking, arguing, talking and arguing and I'm paying through the nose. This is like the UN. When is anyone going to launch?!!? | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 2739 Registered: 5-2001 |
Harpy, Are you implying that I stopped learning after grad school? ??? It took five years at night to get that degree working a career full time. And if you don't keep learning you won't survive in the career workforce, but, you knew that already, right? |
