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suzanneng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 77
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 7:54 pm: |     |
Just wondering with all the discussions of the gourmet market, has any thought been given to trying to attract a good Asian supermarket for that location? I often see discussions here on MOL about where is the nearest Asian supermarket, and people being referred to Edison or Route 22. Is this type of supermarket even a possibility, or is the deal all done? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 976
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 1:04 pm: | |
suzanneq: The choice of market is up to the developer. The village requested that the market be one that will carry all the basics along with specialty items.
As you point out, there is an Asian market on Rte. 22 and one in Edison and I know there is one on Rte. 10. As you can see, they are all open on major roads where the volume of traffic will help assure success. The question is would one be successful in S. Orange or Maplewood and if yes, is there an Asian market operator willing to take the risk?
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Maplewoody
Citizen
Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 463
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 3:19 pm: | |
Just shopped at Trader Joe's this afternoon in Westfield. I think it'd be a big hit in our area. Are there any other fans of TJ's here on MOL? |
sac
Citizen
Username: Sac
Post Number: 958
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 3:50 pm: | |
I like them, but they keep discontinuing my favorite products (particularly the frozen Mexican food items which are quite good) and when I complain to the manager and ask them to bring them back they tell me that there's no chance of that as the decisions are made at the corporate headquarters. I once sent an email regarding this issue via the "contact us" link on their corporate website, but never received any response. Therefore I conclude that they are not that interested in the feedback of individual customers.
I now go less and less often as a result, but am still a customer on occasion.
I have only been to the Florham Park TJ's, but I don't think that the discontinued items problem is a local store issue, so I don't think that would make the difference. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 978
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 4:03 pm: | |
As discussed previously on here, TJ's has no interest opening a store here. Too close to the one in Florham Park. But as I pointed out, the developer (the ones putting up the money) can negotiate with any supermarket they want.
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Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 802
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 4:12 pm: | |
Mark,
What stops this developer from bringing C-town (or some other low-end Market) to South Orange? (which is the whole reason that South Orange puchased the property in the first place) |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 980
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 4:26 pm: | |
I cannot imagine someone spending $25,000,000 on a project and then leasing the space to a C-Town or Bravo especially when they will be trying to sell condos at the highest price they can get.
Remember, the C-Town/Bravo issue was the final straw with the village market owners. They had let the store deterioate over many years and they had repeatedly promised to renovate and upgrade the market and the building. They had lost the right to use the Shop-Rite name at that location because it had become such a dump. They never spent one cent maintaining the property or the store.
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Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 803
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 7:45 pm: | |
Mark,
I also "can't imagine" it happening either. However, to ENSURE it doesn't happen shouldn't the Village put some sort of stipulation in the developer's agreement explicitly detailing acceptable markets? (especially since it is rumored to be grantly a huge tax abatement to the developer) |
papayagirl
Citizen
Username: Papayagirl
Post Number: 160
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:36 pm: | |
I'm too lazy to wade through all of the posts on the SO-specific board, and i'm just wondering... was this discussion was spurred by some recent news that the vacant space will soon be made into a real store? I hope? |
Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 804
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 9:56 pm: | |
To my knowledge, there is no "new" news. The Planning Board approved the proposal for a new supermarket with 60(?) condos almost 1 year ago.
Last we heard is that the Village is "negotiating a developer's agreement", while also applying for funding to pay for the environmental cleanup necessary on the site.
According to the News Record a few weeks ago, it would be another 4 months before all approvals are obtained & construction could even begin.
Perhaps, Mark can add more specifics, but this is my understanding. |
Maplewoody
Citizen
Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 464
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:09 pm: | |
So whats going in across from Bunny's in the recently razed vacant lot? |
just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 93
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:24 pm: | |
i sure hope they don't put a bravo where the old shoprite was. there is already one on high street in orange and its a dump. |
Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 806
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:36 pm: | |
Maplewoody,
The lot across from Bunny's (which used to be known as the Beifus building was razed almost 1 year ago - the day before the Municipal Election) is slated to be a new building called "Candlewyck", consisting of 60 apartments above retail stores.
To my knowledge this site is also in the midst of "negotiation for a developer's agreement" with groundbreaking for construction not expected until at least this Summer (according to a recent News Record article)
P.S. Glad to see Maplewood people interested in what's going on in S.O. Drop by the "South Orange Specific" thread sometime & you can see all the gory details. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 982
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 10:23 am: | |
MHD: I am not sure if it is legal to specifically name a market as one you do not want. Also, as we now know, there are nice shop-rites and dumpy ones. Same for A & P. I have actually seen a beautiful C-Town market.
The supermarket site was approved last March. They are still waiting for final approval from the county as well. The developers agreement also needs to be finalized.
The candlewyk project was approved in Nov. of 2002.
I expect both projects to be discussed at one of the meetings in March.
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Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 809
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 3:21 pm: | |
Mark,
While you probably cannot legally name a specific market, I bet you CAN specify certain acceptable criteria for the market - (i.e. a company with $x in revenue, a publicly traded company, a company with x minimum # of stores etc).
I have no idea if those specific examples would weed out a C-Town or Bravo, but I think you get the idea that SOME stipulation(s) could/should be stated to be ensure it truely is a "Gourmet Market" that is Coming Soon. (especially as a condition of granting a tax abatement) |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 984
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 8:29 pm: | |
Don't think I have not asked all of this already and that I (and probably everyone) want some kind of assurances.
The real problem is maintaining a store and keeping the quality level high. For some reason, many supermarkets have trouble with this. |
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