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lumpynose
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 717
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 9:53 pm: |     |
Some people just love drama. Catch the dogs, put them to sleep. Story over. |
Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 2:02 pm: | |
Fluger,
I took Falomar's post as a send-up of the proposed deer hunt in the reservation. A little poke a the yuppie/greens among us. Eh, Falomar? |
DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 154
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 2:16 pm: | |
yep |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4746
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 2:19 pm: | |
Fluger:
While I don't like the idea of wild dogs roaming the streets of Maplewood and the Reservation, the dogs aren't abnormal. Dogs are predator animals and carniverous. They hunt for food. The deer are also doing what they do as prey animals, trying to avoid being eaten by predators.
The reason we have so many deer in the Res is because we have wiped out the predators, although obviously the wild dogs are doing a fairly good job and coyotes have been spotted in the area as well. Can wolves be far behind?
The chances of catching the dogs alive are minimal. If they are going to be removed they will have to be shot. Give up your fantasy of them being captured, rehabbed and turned back into family pets. It ain't going to happen. |
marian
Citizen
Username: Marian
Post Number: 109
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 2:40 pm: | |
Lydia,
I'm glad you've had such good experiences with Maplewood's animal control last summer. Mine have been the exact opposite. In the summer of 2002 there were quite a few wild dogs running around the Tuscan neighborhood and calling animal control (aka: Officer Vincent) proved almost completely useless. His hours were only part-time and he was never around when I or one of my neighbors tried calling to report the latest sightings.
The police department was equally unhelpful. Every time we called them they couldn't care less and actually gave us the erroneous info that animal control didn't catch wild dogs--Don't ask. We ended up having to call the mayor at the time to get some results and finally get the dogs trapped. It was quite an ordeal as some of my neighbors were very concerned about their children walking to school while we knew these dogs were on the loose and had no idea if they were vicious or not.
Anyway, I'd be curious to know if anyone knows if there's been a change of leadership at animal control, or at least more than one person working in the "department."
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birdbrain
Citizen
Username: Birdbrain
Post Number: 17
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 3:12 pm: | |
Bobk, if there is a concerted effort to catch the dogs, there is more than a minmal chance that they could be captured. It would take a couple of traps, checked at least twice a day, and an officer or two who take the time to try to figure out where they are denning. If neighbors cooperate, i.e., notifying the AC quickly when the dogs are sighted, then that helps even more.
These dogs are a danger, yet I think blazing away at them in a very populated area is probably even more dangerous.
Are they "bad" animals? No; as someone said, they are following their natural impulses. But dogs are domestic, social, animals. In this context, their behavior _is_ mal-social, and has to be addressed. Unfortunately for these animals, that means they will probably have to be put to sleep. The failure isn't theirs, it's the fault of whoever let them loose. But as usual, the animal has to pay the price for our irresponsiblity.
I'm also sad, but not shocked, to hear that we only have part-time animal control. Is there a county AC that could be brought in too? There should be enough staff patrolling the county to allow twice daily visits to the Res. to try to get these animals.
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David Wren-Hardin amygdala17@yahoo.com
Thousands of years ago the Egyptians worshipped cats as gods.
Cats have never forgotten this.
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Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 752
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 3:51 pm: | |
Our town had a part time guy and then hired a private company if situation warranted (decided by the police). Of course we often got calls in the middle of the night
“Are you missing a horse?”
“Not sure, does he have a green halter?”
“There is no halter”
“That’s going to make it tough to catch”
“Yep, wanta come on over”
“Sure”
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curb
Citizen
Username: Curb
Post Number: 383
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 3:59 pm: | |
Hey birdbrain, who said anything about "blazing away". Being a little overly dramatic aren`t we? Everybody wants to be so politically correct. Shooting the dogs by somebody who has hunting and gun safety experience will get you the same results as trapping and putting them to sleep. Only quicker. And how is this "our irresponsiblity", it`s not mine. I know where my animals are. |
jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 373
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 4:02 pm: | |
I saw the Tan one on Sat. in the reservation , it was crossing the road @ the top of Claremont & Warner Rd.. It was troting going towards the silly deer pen, I was about 35 yards away , it would have been a difficult shot with a hand gun, rifle no problem . I notified the county police. |
birdbrain
Citizen
Username: Birdbrain
Post Number: 18
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 4:06 pm: | |
County police? Anyone get the feeling that there's an over-reduncancy of services with no real effect?
The crossing the road part of your post reminded me though, that's probably how these guys will be taken care of, getting whacked on Wyoming or South Orange ave.
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David Wren-Hardin amygdala17@yahoo.com
Thousands of years ago the Egyptians worshipped cats as gods.
Cats have never forgotten this.
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birdbrain
Citizen
Username: Birdbrain
Post Number: 19
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 11:48 pm: | |
Well curb, I wasn't trying to be politically correct. I mentioned that I thought that the dogs would probably have to be destroyed anyway. You call me "overly dramatic", yet to me firing a gun in the reservation to pick off a couple of stray dogs seems pretty dramatic too. At this point, at least, these animals have not threatened people. In my experience*, feral/gone wild dogs seldom do. It's domesticated dogs that are allowed to stray from their property that "attack" people. They are allowed to extend their territory far beyond their owner's property, and respond accordingly. So, given what we know about these dogs so far, it seems a far less dramatic response is called for; i.e., trapping, surveillance, and continued monitoring.
Is it your personal responsibility? No, I guess not. If you wish to restrict your social conscience only to the bounderies of your yard and immediate family, that's great. I was merely pointing out that our society views even companion animals as disposable items, ignoring their instincts and inbred social behavior.
*My experience? I served as a County Animal Control Officer in rural Indiana. I have personally picked up hundreds of stray dogs and dozens of certifiably wild dogs. In some cases, it took months to catch the animals. In all cases that we did, it was because we made a concerted effort to visit the area several times a week and established a rapport with people in the area who gave us valuable insight into the patterns of the animals we were after. Truely "wild" dogs were a drop in the bucket though compared to animals that were allowed to run free by allegedly responsible owners. Those are the ones to watch out for; well fed and cocky, thinking the entire neighborhood is their domain. Much like suburbanites with too much computer time. 
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David Wren-Hardin amygdala17@yahoo.com
Thousands of years ago the Egyptians worshipped cats as gods.
Cats have never forgotten this.
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4756
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 2:03 pm: | |
Bruiser (to use Sbeonis' name for him) and bud have been at it for at least two months in at least three towns. I think it would be a good idea to dispose of them before they lose their fear of humans (like the proto deer they hunt) and figure out kids are a lot easier to hunt than deer. Kids don't run near as fast or as long and don't have sharp hoofs.  |
janeste
Citizen
Username: Janeste
Post Number: 30
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 11:24 am: | |
Any update on this?
Thanks in advance.... |
newtoallthis
Citizen
Username: Newtoallthis
Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 2:20 pm: | |
I saw the dogs in question this past weekend. Was out for a jog and they ran across Wyoming. When I turned up my street though, a big black standard poodle (fitting the earlier descriptions of this animal, complete with tags around neck) popped out of nowhere in a side yard. It was definately threatening. Growled as I jogged by. Scared me (and I grew up with a standard poodle as a pet). Later it was gone. |
DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 158
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 8:54 pm: | |
Poodles are, believe it or not, one of the world's most viscious dogs. Don't let the prissy haircut fool you. |
Deb G
Citizen
Username: Deborahg
Post Number: 799
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 7:06 am: | |
Didn't Monty Python do something on a Killer Poodle? Oh, no, wait...that was a rabbit...  |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 791
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 8:40 am: | |
Poodles are great hunting and swimming dogs. The prissy haircut is just to keep their organs warm. They chop off all the other hair so they can swim better. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4858
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 8:50 am: | |
New the other sitings of "Buster" have indicated he didn't have a collar. I think you just ran into, literally, an angry pet poodle. |
jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 388
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 12:20 pm: | |
My wife was walking up Claremont Ave. this morning , on her way to walk our dog . MPD rolled up , with coffee in hand , told her . I wouldn't go up there if I was you , those wild dogs are @ the top of the step. ?????????? |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 427
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 12:23 pm: | |
ok - so the police know where they are, can they be equipped with tranquizer guns? These animals may have to be put down, but it can be done humanly |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4888
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 1:01 pm: | |
SoOr, you've been watching too many Animal Precinct reruns on Animal Planet. Where is our animal control officer going to get such a weapon, learn to use it and find the time to track down Buster and Chunky? |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 429
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 1:19 pm: | |
bobk - he can borrow the one S. Orange has. A number of years ago a stray dog came to my house... a lovely little thing with no tags. Very gentle with my kids etc.. I called animal control and, I don't know if the dog was protecting my home or just didn't like the man who showed up but, he wouldn't let the guy near him. So.. animal control guy pulls out a rifle with tranquizer darts. I go out and tell him that he can not shoot the dog (albeit tranquilizer darts) in front of my kids. I take his keys, open the back of his car and dog hops in. I followed up and found out the dog was retrieved by his owner. |
newtoallthis
Citizen
Username: Newtoallthis
Post Number: 98
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 7, 2004 - 5:31 pm: | |
In Faust the devil comes in the form of a poodle....hmmmmmmm. |
lah
Citizen
Username: Lah
Post Number: 211
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 4, 2004 - 4:09 pm: | |
So whatever happened to these dogs? Are they still on the loose? |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 47
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, April 4, 2004 - 4:43 pm: | |
from the information i have the problem has been adjusted. one dog was killed by the south orange animal control officer and the other was captured and transported out of the area (i have no idea where). i have not heard any legit complaints about the 'killer dogs' with the exception of the occasional hysterical newstead resident who feels any brown dog is a killer. |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2680
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 4, 2004 - 7:12 pm: | |
Thanks for the update. |
Lydia
Citizen
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 264
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 4, 2004 - 7:43 pm: | |
I heard the black dog was put down I hope the pit bull is put down too - that's not a dog that can ever be trusted around other animals.
Interestingly, a couple of dogs being walked along Wyoming a week ago got away from their dogwalker and almost killed my neighbor's (very sweet 11-year-old) dog who was tethered to a tree in her own yard 2 feet from the kitchen door. The dogs tore her treachea, bit through her ear, and really did a number on her all over. She (the dog) may never fully recover.
I have 2 other neighbors whose little dogs were killed by big dogs running without their leashes, one was killed in the park and the other was killed in it's own yard.
It's really sad, responsible dog owners and their pets shouldn't have to suffer because some people can't control their animals.
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Diane Davey
Citizen
Username: Suburbanmama
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 - 9:01 am: | |
This last post seems even scarier to me than the feral dogs! Are there really pets in our town killing other pets?!? What happened to the aggressors in these cases, are they put down? |
Lydia
Citizen
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 267
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 - 2:59 pm: | |
As far as I know, if a dog attacks a human, they are put down. If a (pet) dog attacks another dog, the aggressor (attacker dog) is locked up for 2 weeks for observation. It's up to the owners of the attacked dog to pursue reimbursement for medical costs, or even "replacement" costs of the dog. I don't think a dog can ever be replaced, but there are financial considerations if the family decides to adopt another dog.
I would like to see some changes in the current laws we have regarding animals attacking off-leash. It's one thing if two dogs growl and each other both off-leash and get into a dog fight. It's another thing if a dog is one it's own property, or on a leash and a dog attacks them off-leash and kills/injures/maims them. Besides 2 weeks observation, I think it's reasonable to require that the (attacker) dog always be muzzled when off it's property.
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flugermongers
Citizen
Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 151
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 8:35 pm: | |
That was my dog, that Lydia is speaking of. She is recovering. The vet said she is lucky to be alive. As far as I know, nothing has happened to the dogs, but the kicker is that they were being walked, by a dogwalker, who just stood there and let the dogs literally "go for [my dog's] jugular" The poor thing was bleeding everywhere, and the doctor said a few more seconds (my mom pulled her away out from UNDER the attack dogs) and she wouldn't be here. The dogwalking agency is picking up the vet bills -- but this shouldn't happen, dogwalkers should not be complete idiots, and we're NEVER taking our eyes off my babygirl for even a second when she's outside again. |
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