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     themp Citizen Username: Themp Post Number: 511 Registered: 12-2001 |
Watched the interview. Now I get it: he's completely crazy! Sweaty, nervous, let his teeth go, etc. Very uncomfortable experience watching the show. Were his father's beliefs "off the table" as a condition of the interview? | ||
| thegoodsgt Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt Post Number: 385 Registered: 2-2002 |
I thought Gibson handled himself incredibly well, even though he did seem a bit excitable. I was very impressed with his straightforward answers to Diane Sawyer's questions. He makes no excuses for his beliefs. I don't think his father's beliefs were "off the table," as he did spend quite a bit of time talking about him, but in all fairness I don't think his father's opinions are relevant. I love my mother, but I wouldn't want her opinion of my work to affect the way my work is received by those who "consume" it. Although she raised me, I can't say that I share all of her views and opinions. | ||
| gozerbrown Citizen Username: Gozerbrown Post Number: 352 Registered: 3-2002 |
I also think that Mel handled himself very well. I watched the editing closely of the interview to be sure that they didn't piece together things to make him look like a bad guy. I think his answers were informed and concise. In terms of how he looks, he appears to have changed his priorities in life. He said he found himself comfortable behind the camera somewhat due to the fact that he didn't have to worry about what he looks like. I didn't think he was unreasonably nervous or sweaty. He disclosed a lot of stuff in that interview that would make anyone nervous and sweaty. In terms of his look, he looks better than most men in their fifties. (And for a director, he looks better than Peter Jackson!  | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 707 Registered: 3-2002  |
I thought he was very straightforward. His belief in the bible word for word was a bit strange but other than that, he was charmingly honest. If he was a devout Muslim, the press would cow tow to him and "respect" his beliefs but because he is a devout Roman Catholic, you just know they are smirking and thinking how stupid he is. | ||
| themp Citizen Username: Themp Post Number: 513 Registered: 12-2001 |
"If he was a devout Muslim, the press would cow tow to him and "respect" his beliefs but because he is a devout Roman Catholic, you just know they are smirking and thinking how stupid he is. " The press overlooks controversies involving possible Muslim anti-semitism? Give me an example. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 708 Registered: 3-2002 |
It has not been established that the film is anti-semitic even by Jewish leaders. I was always taught that Poncious Pilot ordered the execution of Jesus, so does the film depict all Romans as evil? I liked his reference to Shindler's List as well. He doesn't hate Germans because of what happened in the past, history is history. You can't change the facts not to insult someone or make them feel bad. When asked who killed Jesus, his answer was "all of us", meaning mankind etc... | ||
| Cato Nova Citizen Username: Cato_nova Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2003 |
Gibson is not a devout Catholic. He is a member of a splinter sect that thinks the Church has gone seriously astray. Oh, and it is "kowtow" not "cow tow." | ||
| ashear Citizen Username: Ashear Post Number: 981 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lumpy - did you read this post on another thread: http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=26018&post=199645#POST199 645 sounds pretty anti-semetic to me. Its amazing Straw has not called Gibson a Nazi yet. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 709 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ash- I will have to see the movie myself to make my own determination, not listen to someone else's. Watching the interview I don't believe Gibson to be anti-semetic. In any case, it is his artistic interpretation of the events and his right given freedom of speech. It's a good thing that American Germans never argued about the depiction of Germans in "Hogan's Heroes".  | ||
| Cato Nova Citizen Username: Cato_nova Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2003 |
Anti-semitic. Not semetic. And let's not get started about "Hogan's Heroes" the first concentration camp comedy where the Nuremberg defense is a comedy line. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 710 Registered: 3-2002 |
Cato- You could spend all day correcting spelling on MOL but it won't detract from someone's point of view. Did you see the movie? | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 989 Registered: 6-2002 |
Others besides Gibson were interviewed on the show. Abe Foxman said that he did not believe that Gibson is an anti-semite, and I consider Foxman a leading expert in that area. I was especially impressed by the ex-priest with the slight Irish accent whose criticism of the movie was that it never explained why Jesus was persecuted. He said that the proverbial "man from Mars" would ask "Hey, why did everyone hate this guy?" In that respect I'd be interested in the reaction of people who have no previous knowledge or opinions about Jesus or the crucification, for example, a group of Hindus. What would be their reaction? | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 990 Registered: 6-2002 |
And by the way, "Schindler's List" was not anti-German, it was about a German, in fact a Nazi Party member, who went out of his way to save Jews! | ||
| themp Citizen Username: Themp Post Number: 516 Registered: 12-2001 |
Still waiting for the example of overlooked Muslim ant-semitic controversy in mainstream press. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 161 Registered: 5-2003 |
Schindler's List was published as fiction, and is classified as fiction by the U.S. Library of Congress. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 713 Registered: 3-2002 |
I don't believe the film to be "anti-semitic" in the first place but I need to see it first. There are reporters and people on this board who are sympathetic to the Palestinians who I think are overtly anti-semitic (the Palestinians that is). I guess these people think they are justified but I don't. PS You spelled anti-semitic wrong. | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 992 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lizzie: What is your point? Schindler was a real person and the story is based on fact. Perhaps the book and movie were "fictionalized". | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4708 Registered: 5-2001 |
Gibson is a member of Traditional Catholicsim, a splinter group that rejects virtually all of the reforms instituted at Vatican II back in the 1970s. I am not sure that the Catholic dogma that the Jews killed Christ was changed then or prior to that. However, I know that this was regularly taught in at least some Catholic schools in the 1950s, based on a incident I was involved with as a kid. For the record I am neither Catholic or Jewish. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2003 |
Schindler may very well have been a real person. I don't know that for certain. However, the book, and by extension, the movie are at best fiction based upon fact, and should not be accepted unquestioningly as true. | ||
| ashear Citizen Username: Ashear Post Number: 984 Registered: 5-2001 |
Oskar Schindler was quite real. Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial and museum in Jersualem, includes him as one of the "Righteous Among the Nations." This is a designation applied to non-Jews who aided Jews during the Holocaust. Info on Schindler can be found here: http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/index_schindler.html |
