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woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 531
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 12:41 pm: | 
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Neen, If the village could charge the school taxes, I'm sure they would. The state forbids it.
arizona, the university is not responsible for the conduct of these people. They are grown ups. They are not minors. They are responsible for their own conduct, and should be arrested or dealt with severely so that the rest of the student population gets the message.
That said, I'm not opposed to a fee tacked onto the students' bills that woiuld go directly to the town. But I believe this has been discussed and has met with much resistance.
Othjer than lobby the state to change the rules, what would you suggest the town do to get more money from SHU? I mean, realistic suggestions. While I do think the town could have used the dugouts for more leverage, the town is depending on SHU for money for SOPAC (or has that changed?). So it seems neither party has much of an upper hand in negotiations, and SHU has, I believe, shown little flexibility in providing more money.
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 12:54 pm: |
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Waldo shouldn't you be on spring break by now????
I think we've been invaded by a student...or worse...an SHU SUPPORTER. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1055
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 1:01 pm: |
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Arizona: Perhaps you forgot that the dugouts were something the village (little league coaches made the initial request) wanted and SHU agreed to pay the full cost. No negotiations were needed. The only negotiations were over the design and SHU agreed to use the designs that were done by a few residents. Are you suggesting that the village not accept a gift because it was not large enough?
The penalty for underage drinking is the same for SHU that they are for any homeowner. The method of enforcement is the same too.
Woodstock is correct that SHU flatly refused to a fee being tacked on to the tuition bill. They claim that is the same thing as a tax and they are tax-exempt. |
arizona
Citizen
Username: Arizona
Post Number: 37
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 2:19 pm: |
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Mrosner: I suppose you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, however, this obviously was a self serving gift. When SHU wants something they are willing to deal with it. Why not at least being some dialogue with SHU and the town on the topic of dealing with problems caused by unruly students?
Marc: will you provide the red berets?
Woodstock: thanks for reminding me of Firesign Theatre with each of your posts. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1056
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 2:27 pm: |
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Arizona: Actually we have had an ongoing series of meetings with SHU. Several times, residents who live near the problem homes or near the school met with SHU and the public safety committee. Students also came to some of the meetings. According to all involved, the problems have been far less this year than they were last year. SHU designated a special phone number where the residents could call if there is a problem. We also have a contact person whom we can call or email when neccessary.
The public safety committee has kept the discussion going and we get updates from the residents, the police director and SHU on a regular basis.
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just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 147
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 2:29 pm: |
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why doesn't madison and florham park have the same problems with obnoxious college students as we do? and they have THREE colleges! maybe the sopd needs to speak with those departments to find out what works with them? |
arizona
Citizen
Username: Arizona
Post Number: 38
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 2:42 pm: |
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Good point about Madison and Florham Park. I work in Florham Park and used to work in Madison and Morristown. I don't recall hearing about similar problems.
Recently SHU was, in all fairness, rated as one of the top party schools and also high in the least amount of work done by students. |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 3:25 pm: |
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just because SHU decides they are going to fund dugouts does not minimize their responsibility to this town. SHU is a tax exempt organization and of course is under no legal obligation to pay taxes however there is a responsibility they have to this community especially when SHU freely uses the police/fire/ems services of south orange. It is nice they want to build a dugout but how about they do something more substantial for the town that will actually benefit the town, perhaps a donation of equipment to the fire department for their multiple responses weekly to false fire alarms, or a new ambulance to the rescue squad for their mutiple response a week for drunk students that SHU wont take responsibility for or some type of vehicle/equipemt to the sopd for the continual response regarding SHU in everything from laptop thefts to assualts to domestic violence.
SHU should be doing things for this town, meetings are nice but dont benefit anyone. dugouts? well i guess its a start, but i certainly shouldnt be the end. |
Waldo
Citizen
Username: Discowaldo
Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 3:27 pm: |
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SHU SUPPORTER and not afraid to admit it. |
Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 43
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:07 pm: |
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e roberts.....we need more people like u in this town
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1058
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:15 pm: |
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Justme: I don't know about florham park, but I think you should talk with some people in Madison who live near the college. Same types of complaints and problems.
E roberts: Exactly what a lot of us have been saying. Even if there were no party's or students causing trouble SHU should contribute more.
Legally they don't even if morally they should. |
arizona
Citizen
Username: Arizona
Post Number: 39
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:24 pm: |
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Waldo: There is nothing wrong with supporting SHU. However, as a supporter I would think you would be interested in improving the university's image in SO. Why not do something constructive along these lines? |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 527
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:32 pm: |
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Mark, where do you get your facts regarding Madison? I'd be very interested to know. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:47 pm: |
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A friend of mine who lives there. He tells me that there are a bunch of students who live in a house a few doors from him. Police were there a couple of weeks ago and he asked me some questions about SHU students in town.
Maybe it is an isolated situation, maybe not.
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bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 528
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 4:56 pm: |
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I would say it's definitely an isolated incident. Esepcially if the cops were only there once. Almost 95 percent of the students at these universities live on campus or commute. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1060
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 5:05 pm: |
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Bets: Are you sure about the 95% number? I thought about 25% of the students at FDU lived off campus. |
just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 154
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 6:58 pm: |
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shu must have changed ot's admission policies. when i went there it was considered a very good school. don't remember all the problems associated with the students they have now. |
just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 155
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 7:01 pm: |
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woodstock-
most of the freshman are only 17.
maybe what our police dept should do is start arresting ANYONE shu students or not, for underage drinking. then FINE them big time. if enough students get big fines, their mommies and daddies will be mad paying them. maybe shu will then help combat student drinking. |
M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 7:04 pm: |
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Fact: Everytime SHU calls for an Ambulance...they A take the Rescue Squad out of service for a period of time. They take a police officer or two out of service for a period of time who always respond prior to the ambulance...THIS IS FOR DRUNK STUDENTS THEY WONT ALLOW ENTER A DORM SO THEY PASS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY ON THE TOWNSHIP AND ITS EMERGENCY SERVICES, LAST TIME I CHECKED AN EMT IS AN EMT...MAYBE THEY NEED TO EMPLOY THEIR OWN EMT'S ON THEIR SECURITY STAFF.
THEY CALL EVEN FOR STUDENTS WHO HAVE ALREADY SOUGHT MEDICAL TREATMENT AT THE HEALTH SERVICES OFFICE...SO THE VILLAGE HAS TO GIVE THE NON-EMERGENCY SICK STUDENT A FREE RIDE TO THE HOSPITAL. SHU NEEDS TO CONTRACT WITH A CAB COMPANY...NOT SOUTH ORANGE'S EMERGENCY SERVICES.
And after that little fire they had a few years ago...you would think they would want the SOFD to have some new apparatus or specialized equipment...at least that would give them some good press considering they got bashed for all the lawsuits they are fighting over with the families and students involved in that incident. |
just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 156
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 7:40 pm: |
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most of the fdu students who live off campus live at home.
i want to know why shu does so much for NEWARK! |
woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 532
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 11:12 pm: |
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Just Me... Are you saying all the trouble that SO has with SHU students is caused by 17 year olds? I don't know about now, but when I was in school, most freshmen were 18. Some - those with birthdays at the end of the year, including myself - were 17 when the school year started, but had turned 18 before the end of the first year. So by this point in the year, all students (other than a very small few) should be 18 or older. Adults. Able to vote, and responsible for their own actions. Now whether they act responsibly or not is another issue.
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 529
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 10:10 am: |
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Commuters, Mark. The 25 percent that don't live on campus are living in their hometowns. |
arizona
Citizen
Username: Arizona
Post Number: 44
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 11:16 am: |
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M Scott:
I don't think the families who had kids die in the tragic dorm fire would think too kindly of you referring to it as "that little fire." |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 530
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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Nor the firefighters and police that responded on that awful night. |
M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 61
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 3:06 pm: |
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i didn't refer to it in that context...and you shouldn't imply that...If read the recent articles then you would recall the families who are involved are having great difficulty gettting resolutions with the University...That includes those who simply had water damage to their belongings...when it comes down to it...its only about money...and that seems like the running theme with Seton Hall University. So to the University it was a "little fire"...and you would hope that their actions since that event would recognize it. |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 14
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 6, 2004 - 10:51 pm: |
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i was there that night, i worked that fire that night.
i took no offense to what m. scott wrote, and i totally understood what he was saying that the Univeristy is treating it like it was not a big deal. SHU made several changes after the alarm. the biggest one was to turn up the sensitivity on all fire alarm sensors (smoke/heat) in all buildings resulting in many alarms per week caused by "shower steam".
So SHU had a problem, caused a tragedy, saw there was aproblem and 'sort of' fixed it by adjusting their fire alarm system (which increases the work for SOFD) and having meetings with SO public saftey.
i cannot beleive they made no donation, no gift, no anything to this town.
this school is a drain. i am sick of it. i dont want to talk to their students i dont want to have quality of life meetings. all that i want is for SHU to do something good for this town (Dugouts and an alledged SOPAC do not count). i am talking to put a new police officer one, buying a fire truck for buying a new ambulance for this towns VOLUNTEER rescue squad that SHU monopolizes.
sorry for the drift but it really ticks me off. please dont tell me to go to a public safety meeting the only thing i want is easy, SHU write the check to make up for youe shameful treatment of this community. |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 531
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 7, 2004 - 1:04 am: |
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That was well said, Wnwd00. I agree that SHU should be ashamed, especially in light of their alleged Christianity and humanity. I don't care whether a gesture of charity might be "misconstrued" as an admittance of liability. They should do the right thing, in the name of God. |
M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 67
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 4:12 pm: |
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Why has this thread stopped posting beyond the 7th of March??? It states there have been posts since but they are not showing. |
woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 543
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 4:16 pm: |
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They are showing. Someone created a folder inside this one for the breast cancer walk (see the top of this page). So the posts in that folder are news than the 3/7 last post in this thread.
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 54
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 9:34 pm: |
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sorry my mistake....i hit the wrong thread thing... |
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