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M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 8, 2004 - 2:49 pm: | 
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The past few weekends I have noticed that the hair salon at 319 SO Ave has been occupied well past two or three in the morning with the lights out and tv's on and people just sorta hanging out...Is this allowed for businesses? I have noticed similar on Irvington Avenue however cannot recall specific dates or which buisnesses (a few between Ward and Fairview)...I assumed it was cleaners doing the floors or something but it seems to be more often and people just hanging out having a party. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 132
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 8, 2004 - 3:22 pm: |
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If 319 SO Avenue is the barbershop, I agree with you. That place and the liquor store are a major source of noise, and on top of that, they are an eyesore. I have complained about these palces on this board. I plan to go o the next town meeting and complain some more.
I don't understand how the town zoned an area smack in the middle of a residential area for babershops and liquor stores.
I looked at a house ( just for fun went to the open house) righ across from there. the house was beautifu, pocket french doors, gleaming hard wood floors, 7 bedrooms , 3+ baths, 3 floors, original light fixtures...but it is right across for m the barbershop and the liquor store. The owners will never be able to get the true value of that house.
The trustees should be looking for ways to raise our property values, not devalue them. |
woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock
Post Number: 533
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 8, 2004 - 10:54 pm: |
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chocohlic, when did the barbershop and liquor store go in? Are you saying that any of the current trustees are responsible for allowing these businesses to "devalue" your neighborhood?
What would you like them to do about these businesses? I agree that they shouldn't be open (or occupied) after hours), but I doubt that preventing them from being used after hours would shut them down.
Do you know when the current owner of the home across from these businesses bought it? Could the businesses have been there before they bought?
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 8, 2004 - 11:04 pm: |
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are you talking about the place next door to Cluck-U and the chinese restaurant? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1074
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 10:03 am: |
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cmonty: yes.
Chocohlic: The businesses appear to be closing their doors earlier but they do "hang out" with either customers or friends which is perfectly legal.
Woodstock: The hair salon and the liquor store were there for many years before most, if not all of us on the BOT. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 133
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 3:13 pm: |
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Listen, I do understand that perhaps the business were around for some time. However, times and neighbor hoods change. Again, who allowed that area to be zoned for liquors stores and barbershops? Perhaps it was a past bunch of trustees. I do know that some people regard the eastern part of SO to be the "poorer" part ( I was told this by a realtor) perhaps this type of thinking had something to do with placing a liqour store and barbershop in those areas.
I notice that there are no liqours stores and barbershops on the Part of SO Avenue that goes through Newstead. I also notice that the 31 bus does not even go through that part of SO. I find this curious.
At this point, I would like the eastern part of SO to live up to its potential. It is beautiful area; I think the housing is among the most beautiful in SO/maplewood. The people that live there are solidly middle class and quite literate. I think that its about time that the stores reflect the neighborhoods...The barbershop and liquor stores with people hanging out, dropping chicken bones and beer bottles certainly don't enhance the area.
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Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 48
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 3:22 pm: |
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OUCH! |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1080
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 3:54 pm: |
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chocoholic: I think you are not clear about a few things. First off, nobody "placed" the businesses there. Most of S. Orange Ave from Center Street to Ridgewood Road is zoned for mixed use or commercial. Someone bought the buildings, rented them out to business owners who felt they could attract enough customers from the area.
If you think a law is being broken, then you should call the police or village hall and speak to code enforcement. If you don't like those businesses, you should not use them.
It sounds to me that your complaint is with the landlord. He controls the property and the leases. He can require them to have nicer signs, and to maintain the stores better as well as the sidewalks.
There is a bus that goes all the way up S. Orange Ave to St. Barnabas and the Livingston Mall. It does stop on Wyoming Ave and further up the hill. Bus routes have evolved over the years and many of them have had some changes based on where the riders want to go.
Montrose and Tuxedo Park were always considered beautiful areas of town and I don't think that anyone feels differently. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 134
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 4:10 pm: |
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but...I notice that the town doesn't mind going out of their way to eliminate businesses that clash with the towns image. I understand that the town is suing the 61 gallery, and has also asked that the church that met in that space to cease and desist.
The 61 gallery looks a lot better and from what I have seen attracts a lot better class of people. I don't think that the owner of the 61 gallery has broken any laws , or if he has, it can't be any worse than what has been going on in front of the barber shop- i.e. having legions of loud people hanging out in front of his building until the wee hours of the morning.
And the 61 gallery has not had a robbery at gunpoint whereas the liqour store has. Quite recently, I believe.
So, I really don't believe that the town has no power over stores that the landlords rent to. Ask the owner of the 61 galllery.
And in terms of the barbershops customer base, I can assure you that many of the people that frequent those places are not from SO, but from newark. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1082
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 4:26 pm: |
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So I guess if you can't beat a dead horse, you will post misinformation?
Maybe you should check with the landlord of the 61 Gallery building and get your information straight.
You should also check the thread that was on MOL about the 61 Gallery and read about some of the concerns that were posted.
The village has some controls but not to the extent you think. Why don't you come to a planning and zoning meeting ((04/26/04) and you can have a discussion with the code enforcement officer and the village administrator to go over your concerns and to explain exactly what the village can and cannot do.
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ril
Citizen
Username: Ril
Post Number: 202
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 9, 2004 - 4:38 pm: |
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I think "legions" of people hanging out is an exaggeration. I live near those stores, and have for several years. I could count on one hand the times I have seen major disturbances there--and, while this is strictly a judgment call on my part, on those occasions the culprits appeared to be Seton Hall students who live in the apartments above the stores and in nearby houses. And for all of those disturbances, the police responded immediately, and took care of the problem.
I have noticed that there are people in the barber shop late at night, but I don't find them disturbing. And I like having chicken, pizza, etc. at our end of town. (Pizza gets cold if you have to walk it home from Bunny's!). I do agree with comments on an earlier thread that the parking can get out of hand. But anyone who bought a home in this area certainly knew there were businesses on South Orange Ave. In fact, we could use a convenience store there, perhaps in that block on the other side of SO Ave. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 135
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 4:26 pm: |
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MRosner
Thank you for the information concertning the code enforcemnt meeting. I plan to attend |
M. Scott
Citizen
Username: Villageidiot
Post Number: 73
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 2:40 pm: |
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Village pizza isn't that good though...it always comes out of the oven too early...maybe they should stop mass producing bad delivary pizza for SHU and try to serve at least one decent pie if your coming in and picking it up. |
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 34
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 9:39 am: |
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Does anyone know what all the commotion around that area was about last night at around 10 or 10:30? There was a fire engine, ambulance, and what looked like about10 police cars at that end of Fairview Ave., all with sirens ablazing. There were still a few police cars left when I went to bed around 11:30. Didn't see anything unusual this morning though. |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 36
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 4:13 pm: |
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yea there was a small fire in one of the aprtment buildings on fairview i want to say number 7. no one was hurt and the fire was controlled pretty quickly by SOFD with some help from MPWD FD |
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