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Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 231
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 9, 2002 - 3:41 pm: |     |
Why does everyone think Willie Randolph is a good candidate? Seriously. He has no (Zero) management experience, not even in the minors. I mean Willie seems like a nice guy and all. Thank gawd he ended his career with the Mets. I believe that, given the nature of the job in NY (Da' Big Apple!), you really need someone with some experience. It would be challenging enough to learn to manage on the major league level, let alone deal with the circus that is New York. If Dusty is available, grab him! Next choice: Buck. Next choice: Ken Macha.
And, if none of these folks are available, George Bamberger! |
E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 15
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 8:16 am: | |
Dusty's going to cost too much. He says he doesn't think he deserves Joe Torre money(!), which is at the top of the list at $5 mil per, but he wants close to it. He's currently making something like $2.5 mil per. What's Frank Howard doing these days? |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 591
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:07 am: | |
Actually, Randolph ended his career with the Oakland A's.
Remember when he came to NYC with Doc Ellis in a trade for Doc Medich?
It was one of the first trades made after Steinbrenner took over managing control of the Yankees, and one of the key trades in assembling the Yankee powerhouse of the 1970's.
Doc Ellis was one wacky guy. He claims to have pitched a no-hitter while being high on LSD. |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 232
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:53 pm: | |
Is $5 million high, for a proven commodity, when you have the payroll that the Mets have? I mean, are you going to wear a $10 tie with a $2,000 suit? There must be a formula for how much of your total payroll (players, staff, etc.) that should be for a manager, right? |
parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 157
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 1:27 pm: | |
Yes 5 million is too high for someone who has never won a World Series. Torre only got that much after winning numerous World Series. Until this year Dusty had not won a single playoff series.
And back to Randolph. How is Ken Macha more qualified than Randolph. Randolph has played and coached in NY for over 25 years. Seems a guy named Ron Gardenhire (former Met SS) might object to the theory that you need Major League managing experience to be succesful. Randolph knows the pressure of NY |
Hank Zona
Citizen
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 394
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 1:31 pm: | |
I think what a team needs in a manager depends on the make-up of the team, not necessarily the team salary. Bobby V. I think was a good motivator of younger players, but didnt fly so well with veterans...Joe Torre on the other hand to me is a great manager of veterans but not necessarily all that good with younger, unproven talent.
Willie Randolph has a demeanor that would enable him to manage a veteran Mets team (wheres the young homegrown talent?) and to deal with the pressures of managing a NY team. He understands how to diffuse clubhouse pressure and anxiety. He's been a part of what noone can deny has been a very good blueprint for baseball success (and before people say its easy to buy a championship...see how many of the Yankees with high salaries came up through their system...theres more to their success than the payroll). He also has learned the NL style under Torre. He's hungry for a managerial job.
I often see companies who try to hire someone only wish to see candidates who've already been in a similar position at another company. They often wont consider a candidate internally or externally who is a step below that level on the ladder but is most likely very capable of stepping up. But just because someone has been there doesnt mean their track record will be good..and because someone doesnt have a track record doesnt make them incapable. Unfortunately though, most corporations, including professional sports corporations, will go the safe route and take someone whos been at that level already, even if their stay at that level wasnt all that impressive. |
Brian O'Leary
Citizen
Username: Brianoleary
Post Number: 982
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 2:12 pm: | |
lol... I want to see Ironman's $2,000 suit. |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 234
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 2:16 pm: | |
Ken Macha has managed at least as high as the Double A level. Saw him managing Trenton a few years back. I also believe Ron Gardnehire "paid his dues" in the minors as well. I agree salary should not be the only consideration, but, as they say, sometimes you get what you pay for. As for Randolph, what is the body of evidence we're basing his ability "to deal with the pressures of managing a NY team . . . how to diffuse clubhouse pressure and anxiety"? Willie was never the "leader" on any of the Yankee teams he played on. It was Reggie or Thurmon or . . . And being Joe Torre's third base coach doesn't make him qualified either. Note that Don Zimmer gets zero calls about managing. ; ) "Willie's a nice guy. Willie's this and Willie's that". I guess I am not saying he's not the guy, but I do not see a whole heck of a lot to prove he is the guy ...
A little trivia: The only Yankees manager who never won a game in Yankee Stadium? |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 593
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 6:40 pm: | |
Chris-
Bill Virdon. He was manager the year the Yanks played at Shea Stadium. He was also George's second choice for manager, after Bowie Kuhn would not let Dick Williams, who quit managing the Oakland A's, manage the Yanks because he was still under contract to Charlie Finley.
How about Bruce Bochte, current manager of the Padres, as manager for the Mets? Has 1 year left on his contract. He wants out of San Diego, and they would gladly let him walk, because he keeps bugging them for a long-term extension.
He's a players manager, gets along with veterans and rookies. He knows baseball (ex-catcher), and gets the most out of his talent. |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 235
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:45 pm: | |
Boche would be a good pick. That might be the kind of "out of the blue" pick that works out. I would like to see someone who has actually filled out a line-up card. We could always bring Davey back. Needless to say, if the Mets don't respond to the new manager, Phillips is "Outta Here!"
Yes, Bill Virdon is right. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1071
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:01 pm: | |
Okay, guys, enough about baseball. The season's over.
DEVILS!!! |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 3766
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:51 pm: | |
DEVILS!!!! |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 597
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 5:37 am: | |
Nohero and Dave-
It might be over for local NY fans, but the season still continues with many surprises, and decent ball games.
Come the end of October...different story. With the dire straits of NY football, the lack of CATV channels to watch hooligans on the basketball court, and no real interest in hockey I'm gonna need a new hobby.
Geez, I might even hafta read a BOOK or something like that... |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1072
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 9:19 am: | |
Wharfrat - all good points; nevertheless -
DEVILS!!!
DEVILS!!!
DEVILS!!!
DEVILS!!! |
Brian O'Leary
Citizen
Username: Brianoleary
Post Number: 996
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:34 am: | |
I still want to see Ironman's $2,000 suit. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 598
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:50 am: | |
Brian-
Heard on the radio, this a.m., the Red Sox had the opportunities to sign both Jackie Robinson AND Willie mays to contracts.
Think how that might have changed the Sox's fortune! |
Brian O'Leary
Citizen
Username: Brianoleary
Post Number: 1000
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:49 am: | |
That's the good news. The bad news is that, due to a mix-up in the front office, the Red Sox found out just last week. |
parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 158
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 3:18 pm: | |
The American League (mostly due to racism) was extremely slow in signing African American players. I believe the first African American player they signed was Pumpsie Green circa 1960/61?) Pumpsie Green, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, is there really that much difference? 
That was one of the major reasons why the NL dominated the All Star games in the 60's and 70's. |
Hank Zona
Citizen
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 399
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 3:53 pm: | |
wasnt Larry Doby the first African American player in the AL? |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 599
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 4:23 pm: | |
Yes, Larry Doby, who played Negro League baseball in Newark was first in the AL. |
parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 159
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:48 pm: | |
I meant to say the first African American Player the Red Sox signed was Pumpsie Green.This was in 1959. His brother Cornell Green played with the Dallas Cowboys. . The Red Sox were the last team to integrate. Pumpsie even played with the my Mets.
http://www.pubdim.net/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/G/Green_Pumpsie.stm
I knew about Larry Doby. Mea Culpa. Elston Howard was the first African American signed by the Yankees. |
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