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ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 403
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 6, 2002 - 12:05 am: |     |
OK -- how long will it take dysfunctional Mets fans to find reasons to complain about the Mets' signing of Tom Glavine? |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 691
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 6, 2002 - 6:01 am: | |
five hours and fifty-five minutes and counting |
E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 33
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 6, 2002 - 2:34 pm: | |
Are people really complaining about the signing of Glavine? I think it's great. And it would be even worse to lose him to Philly for essentially a couple of million.
Why aren't we re-signing Alfonzo? Perhaps arbitration, then? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 2360
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 6, 2002 - 4:47 pm: | |
I hate to be a gloomy gus, but the way things go with the Mets he will probably blow out his elbow in spring training.  |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 695
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 6, 2002 - 10:29 pm: | |
Alfonzo is 29 or 30 going on 35. He doesn't work-out and has a Don Mattingly type back problem. While the Mets would probably like to re-sign him I don't think they want to pay him $18 or 20 million over the course of a long term contract.
Dean Palmer, of the Tigers is a decent fielding, power hitting third baseman, who is making Alfonzo type money. The Tigers want to dump his salary in return for "prospects."
This is someone the Mets have had long term interest in, back to the days he played for the Texas Rangers.
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drewdix
Citizen
Username: Drewdix
Post Number: 250
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 9, 2002 - 9:34 am: | |
There are not too many 37 yr. old pitchers I would try to acquire. Tom Glavine is on that short list.
But I can't get too excited. (now, Trachsel at "only" $4MM/yr for 2 years- that's good).
Mets rotation is looking old, and breakdowns are inevitable. I think you ony sign Glavine if you're "Going for it" now, and I think the Mets are not exactly poised to win a pennant this year. (Although Phillies are in danger of repeating Met mistakes of 2002).
I'm hoping for the best, but This move doesn't show me that WIlon remembers 2002 too vividly.
Mets need to get young, and quick and they need to energize the farm; even if there's no pennant in the near future.
I think the Mets genuinely "love" ALfonzo, but wharfrat said it. |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 341
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 9:11 pm: | |
Cliff Floyd?! Hero or zero?? Who the hell is going to take Cedeno and Burnitz?? |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 430
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:27 pm: | |
How about the Dodgers or Orioles? -- perennial suckers with deep-pockets |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 343
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 10:12 am: | |
How come we paid the same dough for Floyd that Fonzie wanted? To get yet another corner outfielder? |
drewdix
Citizen
Username: Drewdix
Post Number: 257
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 11:04 am: | |
I think a better question is why didn't ALfonzo sign with the Mets for the amount he got from the Giants? the Mets would've done that in a heartbeat.
ALfonzo wanted $8.5 million per from the Mets, for at least two years. The Mets were offering between $5-$6 million. ALfonzo took his pride and signed with the Giants for around $6 million.
Floyd's deal is 4 years, $26 million , or $6.5 per year, so he wasn't paid what Alfonzo wanted.
The Mets took a risk, thinking that ALfonzo wasn't worth the add'l money because of chronic back problems (see Don Mattingly) and a perceived decline in production. The Mets do sacrifice a good attitude and clubhouse guy. He could either prove them wrong, or perhaps be Juan Samuel (which the Mets are banking on).
I have to believe that signing Floyd also means they are close to moving Burnitz.
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E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 34
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 11:28 am: | |
I believe there's a good chance we'll swap Preston Wilson for Burnitz and keep Cedeno. Saw a clip of our super shortstop, Reyes. He hit a two hopper to short and beat it out. They say he has Ichiro speed. |
Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 350
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 4:08 pm: | |
Let's play the kids: Reyes and Wiggington ... |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 705
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 6:47 pm: | |
E&K-
While there is probably an upside to Preston Wilson, for a team built/building to win now, he is not an upgrade over Burnitz. Wilson is an undisciplined hitter. Walks too little, strikes out WAY too much. Even though Burnitz had a difficult season he had a decent OBP for a guy who hit his weight.
Shea Stadium has never been a home run hitter's paradise because of the swirling winds, the deep power alleys and the visual distractions. Look-it up, anytime the Mets have made it to the playoffs and a WS they have had table setters, and selective hitters. Rickey, Roger Cedeno in 1999, Wally, Lenny, Keith in 1986, Tommie Agee, Art Shamsky, Ron Swoboda, Donn Clendenon in 1969 were all players who had high OBP.
By making a pitcher throw more pitches, you increase the odds that they will make a mistake as they tire-out. Look at the Yankee teams of the late 1990's and this years Angels. disciplned hitters, driving up pitch counts. The Mets beat the Red Sox in 1986 (16 long years ago-I wonder what the two Bills- Stanley and Buckner are doing these days?) because they waited-out the Sox pitching staff.
The Mets need people who can get on base. Walks, hit-by-pitch, you name it. They need contact hitters, at the top and the bottom of the line-up.
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strawberry
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 250
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 2:10 pm: | |
Wilson isn't an upgrade over Burnitz? Wilson's a proven 30-30 guy who would add tremendous speed and power to a lineup that is dreadfully slow right now in the 4-5-6 hole. (assuming Floyd bats third and Alomar second)
a lineup of Cedeno, Alomar, Floyd, Pizza, Vaughn, Wilson, looks very nice... |
#9Dream
Citizen
Username: 9dream
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 10:18 am: | |
I'm a Yankee fan, and I'm telling you now that Mike Stanton will turn your hair gray. You just never know which Stanton you're going to get on any particular day. One day he's lights out and the next day he might as well be pitching batting practice. You have been warned...
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E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 38
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 3:08 pm: | |
I wonder if the Mets will be trading Benitez or Strickland? I would think they could get someone decent for Benitez. We must be nearing the end of his contract. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 706
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 7:50 pm: | |
E&K-
I've also wondered about that too. If they trade Benitez they better get something damn good in return!
Dave, I said damn!
#9Dream-
I think the mets wanted stanton because he reminds them of John Franco. "One day he's lights out and the next day he might as well be pitching batting practice."
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drewdix
Citizen
Username: Drewdix
Post Number: 265
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 1:07 pm: | |
I would trade Burnitz for Preston Wilson in a quick minute.
Not because Wilson is a franchise player, but he does improve their speed, and he is 5 years younger, probably the main reason to do this.
Otherwise, statistically, they're close. JB strikes out 25% of the time, PW 29% (based on official ABs).
ANd that slump Burnitz had this year....yeeesh. Never felt more pain from watching a batter than JB this year.
Benitez for two or three other players is a great idea. |
parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 182
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 2:47 pm: | |
Strawberry,
Preston Wilson a proven 30/30 guy?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fielding?statsId=5994
He has only hit 30 or more homers once in his career and stolen 30 bases once in his career. He strikes out alot and has at least 3 or maybe 4 years left on a big $ contract. We only have one year left on Burnitz's contract so it makes no sense to take on Wilson for Burnitz.
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E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 40
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 2, 2003 - 9:47 am: | |
Perhaps we should save our money for Vladimir. He's already used to wearing a little royal blue in Montreal. There can't be another person in the league worth a big contract than Vlade the Great. |
#9Dream
Citizen
Username: 9dream
Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 2, 2003 - 11:18 am: | |
Guerrero is great but he does strike out a lot. Since it doesn't look like the Yankees are going to pursue Bartolo Colon, I'd like to see the Mets go after him (rather than letting him end up with the division rival Red Sox). |
parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 183
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 2, 2003 - 12:41 pm: | |
#9Dream,
Guerrero does not strike out alot. Take a look at his career stats. His average season based on his last 5.5 years is as follows
HR RBI AVG SO BB R H
38 113 322 78 58 104 197
An average of 78 strikeouts is nothing when you look at how productive he is.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5737 |
E&K
Citizen
Username: Ashmilby
Post Number: 41
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 2, 2003 - 5:12 pm: | |
Not to mention that he is great at picking balls up out of the corner and gunning people out at second, third or at home. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 708
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 2, 2003 - 6:36 pm: | |
Vlad is the real deal! A couple of seasons ago I saw him offensively and defensively beat the Mets.
He had more hits, runs and rbi's than the entire Met line-up, and made one great catch and two fabulous throws to prevent Met runners from advancing/scoring.
Were he playing in NYC people would be comparing him with Jason Giambi. |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 491
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 10:56 pm: | |
but he's in Montreal -- the baseball equivalent of the witness protection program |
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