| Author | Message | ||
     Shelley Stile Citizen Username: Sstile Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mark- We, SOAR, will bring the petitions with all the signatures to the next BOT meeting if you wish. Just let us know and we will have them there for your perusal. SOAR will not let them remain in your hands as we do not want our supporters contacted for any political reasons. The DRMC involves both a DMC and a DRC...as outlined in the recommendations by the Task Force. SOAR had nothing to do with those recommendations...we simply support the concept of a DRC as outlined by the Redevelopment Act of NJ. That is the act that was adopted by The Village (per BOT) to redevelop our downtown. There is no personal agenda here Mark . You have repeatedly accused me of a personal agenda...exactly what would that agenda be? I am not running for public office. I seek no Village appointment. I have no financial stake in anything with the exception of my investment in my home here in South Orange. I cannot have a personal agenda... The only gain that I, along with the other residents of this town, could possibly have is to protect our real estate investments and our quality of life by seeking to improve and facilitate the redevelopment of our downtown. To accuse me, or any other concerned resident of South Orange, of a personal agenda is both illogical and mean-spirited. I supoprt the DRMC...a Downtown Redevelopment arm to take over the work of redeveloping the downtown as well as a Downtown Management Corporation...to handle the daily management of South Orange. That is what the Task Force recommends, that is what the NJ Redevelopment Act recommends and that is what the residents of South Orange support. To turn this into a personal issue is totally inappropriate and nonsensical. | ||
| Shelley Stile Citizen Username: Sstile Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mark- We, SOAR, will bring the petitions with all the signatures to the next BOT meeting if you wish. Just let us know and we will have them there for your perusal. SOAR will not let them remain in your hands as we do not want our supporters contacted for any political reasons. The DRMC involves both a DMC and a DRC...as outlined in the recommendations by the Task Force. SOAR had nothing to do with those recommendations...we simply support the concept of a DRC as outlined by the Redevelopment Act of NJ. That is the act that was adopted by The Village (per BOT) to redevelop our downtown. There is no personal agenda here Mark . You have repeatedly accused me of a personal agenda...exactly what would that agenda be? I am not running for public office. I seek no Village appointment. I have no financial stake in anything with the exception of my investment in my home here in South Orange. I cannot have a personal agenda... The only gain that I, along with the other residents of this town, could possibly have is to protect our real estate investments and our quality of life by seeking to improve and facilitate the redevelopment of our downtown. To accuse me, or any other concerned resident of South Orange, of a personal agenda is both illogical and mean-spirited. I support the DRMC...a Downtown Redevelopment arm to take over the work of redeveloping the downtown as well as a Downtown Management Corporation...to handle the daily management of South Orange. That is what the Task Force recommends, that is what the NJ Redevelopment Act recommends and that is what the residents of South Orange support. To turn this into a personal issue is totally inappropriate and nonsensical. | ||
| us2innj Citizen Username: Us2innj Post Number: 655 Registered: 5-2001 |
click once. you made your point. | ||
| Brian O'Leary Citizen Username: Brianoleary Post Number: 1290 Registered: 3-2002 |
I haven't heard anything from the Village about the architect's documentation. I'd be interested in obtaining information that would inform a reasoned analysis of what happened - the architect's notes, change orders, correspondence with the Village, etc. I'm not looking to defend or attack their work; I really want a way to look at the debate in a more factual manner. www.opensouthorange.com Vote Line B on May 13th | ||
| sac Citizen Username: Sac Post Number: 771 Registered: 5-2001 |
us2innj - Please go easy on Shelley re multiple posts ... the message board has been very difficult lately with the "file locking" problem and that is no doubt what happened in this case. I take no stand on the actual content of the post and I don't live in SO, so I'm not getting involved in that aspect of the discussion, but having suffered the "file locking" over and over recently, I had to speak up about that. (However, PS to Shelley and other posters ... I have also learned that the poster (only) can delete an extraneous post within the first 30 minutes after it is made by clicking on the "X" symbol at the top right.) | ||
| Brian O'Leary Citizen Username: Brianoleary Post Number: 1295 Registered: 3-2002 |
Agreed - it has been a tough period for file locking errors. www.opensouthorange.com Vote Line B on May 13th | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 4599 Registered: 5-2001  |
And the "Message Already Posted" warning looks a lot like the File Locking error warning. | ||
| sac Citizen Username: Sac Post Number: 773 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, On occasion, but not recently, I recall getting a message that said something to the effect that an identical message was just posted and did I really want to post again (or something like that.) Has that feature been disabled or is it also being impacted by the performance issues are resulting in the file locking in the first place? Sorry for the thread drift ... Maybe this should be moved to a new topic of its own (?) | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 294 Registered: 4-2002 |
And I thought Brian had sabotaged my computer with the dreadful file locking error.  Dan: I think you know me long enough to know I have never used lists or names provided to the village for personal gain. However, if a person makes a claim to have something and uses that claim in public then they should turn officially submit it to the village clerk. Otherwise anyone could say they have the signatures and demand action based on those. But to make you happy, I will publically state that I accept that SOAR has the signatures and they should not turn them over until the May 12th trustee meeting. That is the night before the election and certainly too late to copy the list and send out a mailing. By the way Dan, while on the topic of "campaign ethics", do you think it might be wrong to use the .com version instead of the correct .org) of the incumbents web name to provide a link to the ticket that you are supporting? Shelley: Protect your real estate investment? I though that the increases in property values the past four years in S. Orange were higher than any other town on the train line as well as in NJ. There are many factors that go into preserving property values. Schools are one of the most important (if not number one). Other factors include crime (down 28% last year and 46%), location and quality of the houses available. Trustee election is on May 13th. www.leadershipwithvision.org Vote Line A | ||
| openspacer Citizen Username: Openspacer Post Number: 43 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mark, www.leadershipwithvision.com has been set up to redirect to leadershipwithvision.org. It has been set up that way since before you had your site up. Check it out. It says: "If you got to this page you are probably looking for www.leadershipwithvision.org. You will be redirected there in a few seconds. If the re-direct does not work, click on their link at the bottom of this page. We ask that you also visit http://www.OpenSouthOrange.com in order to make a balanced, informed decision about your vote. Please Vote Line B Tuesday May 13, 2003 It then goes to your site. We are driving traffic to your site! My reason for poaching leadershipwithvision.com (which was done days after the election filings) is to point out that Leadership with Vision has no vision otherwise they would own the dot com. There are a lot worse things that the redirect could go to like Bill's favorite site www.gop.com. Dan Shelffo | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 296 Registered: 4-2002 |
Thanks Dan, however a political campaign is supposed to use the .org extension and not the .com. I was wondering how long you could resist the little dig at the Line A name. Trustee election is on May 13th. www.leadershipwithvision.org Vote Line A | ||
| openspacer Citizen Username: Openspacer Post Number: 44 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mark, I have never heard that about political campaigns. I have heard that anyone with ten bucks and a little imagination can buy a .com, .org or a .biz domain as long as someone else dosen't own it. Please don't tell me that you preferred the .org to the .com. That's not lack of vision, that's the wrong vision. Dan Shelffo | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 225 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mark, While technically you are right that "non corporate" entities are "supposed to" use a .org, the reality is that most people prefer a .com address, since it is more intuitive. If you look at Vic & Jerry's site in Maplewood and even Steglitz & Theroux's site 2 years ago, you'll notice they were both .com addresses. Are you honestly going to say your first preference was to have a .org address and didn't choose a .org address because the .com was already taken? As for Dan's other point, I don't understand why the fact that Bill Calabrese is a registered REPUBLICAN and supports every county, state and federal REPUBLICAN is not a bigger issue. Sure, our elections are non-partisan, but his underlying political philosophy is contrary to the 5-1 majority of DEMOCRATS in South Orange. | ||
| jrf Citizen Username: Jrf Post Number: 319 Registered: 5-2001  |
Calabrese is a Republican? We need diversity. He gets my vote. | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 226 Registered: 5-2001 |
jrf, For better or worse, with a "typical" Republican you would at least expect tax CUTS. Us silly Democrats haven't had to worry about that with Bill Calabrese. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 102 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mayhew, I believe Mark is refering to the "hijacking" of http://www.leadershipwithvision.com to promote OpenSouthOrange.org. If you go to the website, you will see that even though it does redirect to http://www.leadershipwithvision.org eventually, this is the equivalent of Coke buying pepsi.net, and saying "you are probably looking for pepsi.com, but why don't you check out coke.com as well. And drink Coke!" In marketing saod this is probably considered fine. But in an election, it's a little slimy. And I'd say the same thing the situation were reversed. Mr. O'Leary, from what I've read of your posts here thus far, you seem like you'd be above working with people who do this kind of thing. | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 227 Registered: 5-2001 |
Woodstock, I understand what Mark is referring to. However, I must agree with Dan that not purchasing the domain name as part of campaign in today's world shows a lack of vision. When Bill Calabrese first joined the Board of Trustees in 1987, that would have been understandable. However, his refusal to participate in this online forum and neglecting to purchase the proper domain shows his vision of the world is quite dated. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 103 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mayhew, I don't disagree with the point Dan is making. But having seen this kind of squatting in all kinds of forums (fora? fori?) throughout the years, I find it quite distasteful in a political campaign. I guess what I should have asked originally is this - Is Open South Orange (the "line") associated with the individuals who own www.leadershipwithvision.com? Again, in a product marketing campaign, I would find this funny/cute/good marketing. I guess I have an expectation of more from my elected representatives. | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Woodstock: On this point I have to disagree with you. Taking the dotcom address isn't anything personal or vicious; it's just funny (my opinion). Saw your add this weekend. Hope you stay, but $23,000 a year in taxes is insane. I think we crossed over from outrageous to insane about $10,000 ago. | ||
| woodstock Citizen Username: Woodstock Post Number: 104 Registered: 9-2002 |
Doublea - Yup. I have to say, it gives me a more objective perspective right now, since it really doesn't affect me who wins the election. Our house is on the market. I can't even think of an adjective strong enough to express our sadness with our decision to leave, and the anger at why we're leaving. Of course, we haven't yet found a place to live (nor even a town we want to live in), but this will get us off our butts to make a decision. But regarding taking the .com name, Yes, I think it's funny. To a point. But you're right - it's not as egregious as I'm making it out to be. I guess I'm just tired of political campaigns going the way of product marketing, with all the tactics employed in that arena. |
