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     nwyave Citizen Username: Mesh Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark: Thanks - I was in the store the other day and they said it was not coming, perhaps they were not right. My concern is managing expectations. If the website says something is coming, people expect it. My original post re my conversation in the store (person saying fish market was not coming) was about 10 days ago. Is there any follow up procedures in place to monitor that page on the web site? Otherwise, things may stay on forever, while the store never comes. Redevelopment is obviously a major campaign issue. If items represented to be coming are in fact not coming (or of course vice versa), that would be misleading to voters. Hence the need for this area to be buttoned up, particularly at this time. Thanks. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 259 Registered: 4-2002 |
I asked the village administrator to follow-up when I saw the posting. I promise that as soon as the village knows, the change will be posted if it is true that the fish market is not coming or has decided on a different location. Trustee election is on May 13th. www.leadershipwithvision.org Vote Line A | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 39 Registered: 3-2003 |
M.Rosner: The incumbents' web site refers to an average annual local property tax increase of 3.3% over the last eight years. What has it been over the last 4 years - why the last 8 years? You and Arthur Taylor weren't even on the Board. I guess this is to be expected, but it's things like this that make one question. | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2003 |
The above post should have been in the "South Orange Taxes - something has to give" thread. | ||
| nwyave Citizen Username: Mesh Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2003 |
This SO Fish Market continues to be a pet peeve of mine. It is going on 3 weeks since my original post indicating that there appears to be substantial doubt on whether a SO Fish Market is coming to the A&E Convenience Store site on SO Ave - yet it remains on the SO Village Web Site. I just don't think its fair to leave things that are in such doubt, unless the Village now knows its coming. If so then thats great. If not, it is a misrepresentation that if left on would imply that the Website only carries good news but does not adjust to reality. Its all about managing expectations - that is why I am harping on this. If something is posted as coming, there has to be some sort of checks and balances and simply not leave it there into eternity regardless of whether the establishment opens or not. The website is informative, but it can not become a mechanism of only delivering what people want to hear - regardless of whether that mirrors reality. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 319 Registered: 4-2002 |
The permit is still out there. They have not gotten back to the village to say their intentions have changed or that they are looking elsewhere. I don't want to take it off if they are still planning on opening because that would not be fair to the business. Trustee election is on May 13th. www.leadershipwithvision.org Vote Line A | ||
| nwyave Citizen Username: Mesh Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2003 |
When does the permit expire? What does the Landlord say? He/She should know the status? | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 322 Registered: 4-2002 |
The landlord promises to give us an update in the next ten days as to the status. Trustee election is on May 13th. www.leadershipwithvision.org Vote Line A | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 373 Registered: 4-2002 |
Fish Market Update: The owner of the fish market has decided to open in a different location in S. Orange. He is shooting for a June 1st opening date in the building between Pete's Barber shop and the old "Booey's" building. The fish market will occupy one side and the other store will be a Seafood Restaurant. The restaurant will need several months of renovations before opening. The landlord and the tenant agreed that this would be a better location for the market. When the permits are in place, it will be updated on the webpage. Remember to Vote Line A on May 13th www.leadershipwithvision.org | ||
| mayhewdrive Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 261 Registered: 5-2001 |
I find it awfully curious that within the past 60 days we have seen the following: Beifus - a "red ball demolition" sign has appeared and I fully expect the building will come down before Tuesday. Arts Center - chain link fence has been placed around the site to imply construction about to begin Market - at 11:30 last night the Planning Board approved the proposed Market & 5 story condo building Quarry - the Planning Board approved 69 duplexes Every single one of these items was an issue during the last campaign 4 years ago & ironically they are made to appear "getting done" just 60 days prior to the election. Obviously, there are always construction delays, but if these projects are so "done", I would like to know a specifc date that these projects are now scheduled for completion (by completion, I mean open for business by merchants, residents & customers). | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 376 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have said this before, but here it goes again. This campaign would have been easier if all the projects had been further along already. Mr. Beifus has already started demolishing the building and construction will begin this summer. I certainly wanted this project done ages ago, but he owns the property and he has moved at his own pace. To answer the question, he is scheduled to be completed within two years. The supermarket project which did get approval last night has been with the planning board for six months. There were a lot of revisions made with a lot of input from a lot of people (including Main Street). They now have to get their permits and the final details will have to be sorted out. I do want to add that this was not a campaign issue last time because the Shop-Rite (village market) was still operating. Again, to answer the question, the project will be completed within two years after getting all the permits. I would give a guess that means sometime in the Fall of 2005 when the building is completely finished. The quarry had over 20 hearings at the planning board level. Cleary there was no push by the village for them to make a decision. The court order was over ten years ago and construction is still not scheduled to begin. I make no guess when or if the construction will begin. There are still some issues that have to be discussed and sorted out. My guess is that there will be other revisions before they will start the project. The Arts Center would have been completed had the BOT jumped into the project. We did not because the project did not work as presented to the BOT. There is now a parnership with Seton Hall and in the intial design has been approved. I don't think anyone can accuse of us rushing to get the Arts Center project completed. However, the revised plans should be done by the end of the summer and the construction time is guesstimated to be 18 - 21 months. That would mean an opening in summer of 2005. I hope this helps give a better idea of the expected timeframe. Remember to Vote Line A on May 13th www.leadershipwithvision.org | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2003 |
M.Rosner: My understanding of the Planning Board's approval of the "market" last night is that is was approval only of the variances requested or site plan approval. All of the other details will be covered by the Redevelopment Agreement. Can you state that you would not vote in favor of a PILOT agreement. More to the point, can you say whether your running mates would vote in favor of a PILOT agreement. As I have said in a earlier post on another thread, about two years ago when the new market was first discussed by the Board of Trustees, Steve Steglitz said it would be a PILOT. I think it is important for the voters to know your slate's postion on this without waffling. If LWV wins, it is pretty clear that there will not be any Revelopment Authority, although there might be a downtown manager. In this case, it would be the Board of Trustees that negotiates a redevelopment agreement with the New Market developers. Once again, would your slate favor a PILOT agreement for the New Market redevelopment? | ||
| nwyave Citizen Username: Mesh Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark, Thanks for the update. I was talking to a person in the audience at the planning board meeting and it turned out to be the owner of the space on the west side of so ave that the new fish places are coming. Same guy seems to own the whole downtown! What kind of restaurant - upscale? moderate? With regard to the 5 story condo/supermarket. I was there for awhile last night, but had to leave. I thought I read somewhere that it was signed off last night but the developers were urged to reconsider the # of units. Perhaps I am misread. So is it a done deal at 1 floor retail and 4 floors condos, including 96 units? Both to Mark and Brian - Mayhew's question re positions on Pilots for these new developments is relevant and will give accountability in future elections. What are your psn/s and those of your running mates re pilots at Beifus and the Vose\Supermarket dev. | ||
| Brian O'Leary Citizen Username: Brianoleary Post Number: 1388 Registered: 3-2002 |
If the development is mixed use commercial plus residential (as both Beifus and the market site are), I don't see the need to extend PILOT agreements to the developers. www.opensouthorange.com Vote Line B on May 13th | ||
| nwyave Citizen Username: Mesh Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2003 |
I went to the village web site and I saw that it was in fact approved. Brian - thanks for your psn re pilots on these sites? Mark, I just posted this, so I know you didn't get a chance yet to give your position, but plse do so when you have a chance. Thanks | ||
| Brian O'Leary Citizen Username: Brianoleary Post Number: 1391 Registered: 3-2002 |
My pleasure. www.opensouthorange.com Vote Line B on May 13th | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2003 |
nwyave: I think it was me asking about the postions on PILOTS regarding these projects, but that's ok. About last night, it was emphasized that all the details, such as number of parking spaces, would be finalized in the redevelopment agreement. I do have a large concern that as approved last night, there just won't be enough parking places for shoppers going to the market. I have visions of trying it a couple of times, not being able to find a parking space, and after that just saying "... it,it's just not worth the hassle". | ||
| doublea Citizen Username: Doublea Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2003 |
Thanks Brian for your response. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2002 |
I keep getting the dreaded "file locking error" and this is my third attempt to post a reply. I don't think anyone can state how they would vote unless they have seen the plans and heard the request from the developer. I have already stated that I would not be in favor of a PILOT unless it brings something to the village that we would not be able to have without the PILOT. In this case, the developer is being allowed to build condo's to help pay for the supermarket. He would have to prove his case that further financial incentives are needed to make the project work. Then the BOT would have to make that decision. I can't state what my running mates would do, but I would guess that no matter who is on the board, they would want to have an open mind and hear the arguments from the developer and anyone else who wants to speak on the subject. There will be a chance for public input before the final vote is taken. I am not trying to waffle, but I don't think it is fair to ask someone how they would vote without a chance to get all the information. The plans that were approved last night are different from the ones that were initially presented. Remember to Vote Line A on May 13th www.leadershipwithvision.org | ||
| peteglider Citizen Username: Peteglider Post Number: 93 Registered: 8-2002 |
Can someone give a link to a website that states how PILOTs work? /Pete |
