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kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 238
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 12:26 pm: | 
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We just brought home a new standard poodle puppy. We are considering installing an "invisible fence". Does anyone have any recommendations or tips on a new installation?
I know some people have issues with the way these fences work - I'm just wondering if anyone (who does approve of them) has any tips on how to use them most effectively.
You can post here or email me at thomklig@comcast.net. Thanks. |
cody
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Username: Cody
Post Number: 379
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 7:21 pm: |
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A dog not wearing a transmitter collar can jump the invisible fence and attack a dog enclosed by that same fence. I worry that it gives a false sense of security to the owners of the property while leaving their dog at risk to predation. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 277
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 8:12 pm: |
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We used to use these fences to keep dogs away from things. There were a few paddocks that we didn’t want them going into. It worked pretty well with a decently trained dogs but one that was more aggressive didn’t seem to care. They did work pretty well when we were around but if the dog was in “Hot pursuit” they tended to go right through the fence without noticing. There were a lot of times that we found Morgan on the wrong side of the fence unwilling to cross in order to come home.
I would recommend them for smaller dogs that you want to play with in the yard unleashed, but would not recommend letting the dog out with out supervision.
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Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 279
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 9:20 pm: |
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I forgot to add, when you take the dog out to play, walk the parameter of the fence. If you are on the outside the dog will “Feel” the fence and get an idea where it is at. If you do this every time it makes it easier for both of you. An added bonus is that once the dog knows what’s going on, if you do the same thing at a park the dog will usually (unless he’s stupid) stay with in the area that you outlined.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1512
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 5, 2003 - 11:02 pm: |
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It's not an invisible fence, it's a shock collar.
Interesting perimeter walk thing, though, Brett. |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 240
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 6, 2003 - 8:02 am: |
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I know it's a detail, but how does the dog go to the vet or on a walk beyond the back yard? Do you need to shut down the whole system to back out of the driveway or go over the curb?
We luckily have a tall "physical" fence around most of the yard. The invisible fence would be used to keep the dog from darting through the fence's gate, down the driveway, and across the creek. I have no plans of allowing the dog out unsupervised - nothing I hate more than a yappy unattended dog running along the fence line.
Thank you for your input Brett! |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 280
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 6, 2003 - 8:33 am: |
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The type of fenced we used was a vibrating collar, it didn’t shock the dog it just scared the be-Jesus out of him. They also have a whistle collar that gets louder as the dog gets closer. We couldn’t use that because it freaked out the horses. I’m not really sure if they still sell the “shock” type anymore.
There were two ways to turn the fence off. One was a simple switch in the garage the other was a switch on the battery pack in the collar.
Morgan (The stupid one) would get across the fence some times and I would have to go get him by switching off his collar, he wasn’t very happy crossing back over the fence.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 54
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 4:51 pm: |
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The fence invisible fence is great. I have 2 dogs and they go out in the yard to play all the time. I live on a corner and on a busy street, but I have full confidence that the dogs will stay safely in my yard. Sure another dog could come in to my yard, but that would happen if I had a tie out too. Being on a corner the fence rules are difficult, and my dogs could easily jump a 4 foot fence (which is the limit in Maplewood).
The invisible fence is a "shock" collar, but I put it on my neck before it went on my dogs, and while it doesn't feel good, there is no pain at all. Its more of a suprise than anything else, its not like a stun gun! The way it works is that the collar emits a warning tone when the dog approaches the perimeter and if the dog doesn't go back into the "safe area" he gets a shock.
Once the dogs are properly trained with the fence, they hardly ever get a shock.
Oh, and to get the dog out, you just take the collar off. My dogs are trained not to cross the fence but not to worry if they are in a car.
We couldn't be happier with ours! |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 5:42 pm: |
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yeah, but it's teaching the dog based on fear/avoidance. THis can create an aggressive dog. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 296
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 7:07 pm: |
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Foff: Do you know of any better options? Our dogs are free to roam on almost 100 acres. There are four acres that they can’t go because of the Stud barn. It’s impossible to fence that much area for a dog, a loose horse will go right through a chain link fence; we would have to make it out of concrete. I could tie them up but wouldn’t that suck?
You can’t sit down and reason with a dog, and it’s for their safety.
We’ve never had issues with aggressive dogs, or horses for that matter (We use DC voltage electric fences on some paddocks).
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 55
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 9:43 am: |
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We've had the fence for almost 5 years and our dogs are absolute sweethearts. We have great pictures of my son laying on the dogs when he was 5 DAYS old. I would only have done that if I had the utmost trust in the nature of my dogs. By the way, my son is 20 months old now, and the dogs are his best friends, even though as most 20 month olds will he taunts them, climbs all over them, pokes them, and screams. The dogs are great, Brian (my son) gets nothing but playful licks from the dogs. Thats after 5 years with the fence.
The training that came with the purchase was great, done by true dog lovers.
I also know several other families with the fence, and none of them have had any aggression problems with their dogs. If anything, its made the dogs more mellow since they can roam the yard at will.
Like I said, we couldn't be happier with ours. |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 244
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 10:44 am: |
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Michael,
Do you suggest that we should "spring for" the more pricey package and get 3 or 4 training sessions with the fence? I was just beginning to tackle that descision!
I had another quick dog question - do you folks think that big full size deer would be a threat to a standard poodle? I have a lot with a large wooded area. I 'd prefer to let the dog have free reign (or rein?) but deer frequently visit our yard. Should I keep the dog out of the deer's territory?
Thanks again everyone.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1527
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 11:28 am: |
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Brett - how fancy...100 hundred acres! Your situation is not typical of little 1/3 lots which seems to me what was being discussed here.
anyone interested in another point of view about shock/invisible fences might want to read this link...www.positivedogs.com |
Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 56
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 11:35 am: |
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kmk,
It depends on your dog, if he/she is obedient already you probably don't need the "full" package. I say this with hindsight, my dogs were trained on the fence within 2 visits, and I purchased 6. But I do think it was worth it, for peace of mind if nothing else.
We used Morris Fence, and they were great, but that was about 5 years ago. They were a little more expensive than others, but I like the collar (its smaller) and they have been really good service wise. I had a wire break last year, I called them to get a service call, and they asked me if I felt I was handy and could fix it. Then they walked me through finding the break and how to fix it correctly. They could have just sent out a tech and charged me. It saved me $90.
As for deer, they are pretty timid, and will probably steer clear of a dog. I really don't think it would be a problem, but I'm no expert. If it were me, I'd give the dog as much land to roam as possible.
I'd make sure your dog has good flea and tick preventative though.
Good luck! |
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