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Author Message   Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1202 Registered: 1-2003 Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 2:40 pm:        Well, lseltzer, you didn't think Microsoft would arm both sides of the spam arms race. Perhaps they won't, but another company does. In War Over Spam, One Company Is Happily Arming Both Sides Tom Reingold There is nothing   lseltzer Citizen Username: Lseltzer Post Number: 1930 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 4:25 pm:        The article is fair, but the headline is unfair to IronPort. There are legitimate reasons to send large numbers of e-mails, even for marketing purposes, and IronPort is working on that. Their spam filtering appliances are really good. I'm surprised the article doesn't mention that they use a licensed version of Brightmail.   Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2484 Registered: 10-1999 Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 5:31 pm:        I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam spam spam spam spam spam beaked beans spam spam spam and spam! SpamSpamSpam&Spam lovespam.wav (23.4 k)   Tom Reingold the prissy-pants Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 1203 Registered: 1-2003 Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 5:56 pm:        True: there are good reasons to send spam, and one reason it's hard to stop spam is that there is lots of spam that people like receiving, and how can you differentiate the two types? I get email from places like amazon because I told them to go ahead. But once it arrives, spam filters don't know that. What's your opinion of brightmail? Tom Reingold There is nothing   lseltzer Citizen Username: Lseltzer Post Number: 1931 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 8:09 pm:        Brightmail's an excellent product. It's an enterprise- and service-oriented spam filtering product (no consumer versions). The hallmark of Brightmail is that it detects a smaller percentage of spam than other products in its class, but it's very, very unlikely to generate a false positive (misclassify a real message as spam). They claim 1 in a million false positives, although I'm not sure if they can really prove that. I've tested it several times and I've never seen a false positive.