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overtaxdalready
Citizen
Username: Overtaxdalready
Post Number: 181
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:29 am: | 
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They were just pulling your leg Jeff. They're actually trying to blame that on Bush and Cheney. |
jeffl
Citizen
Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 225
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:34 am: |
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overtaxedalready, now you're talkin' MY language cuz I actually DO blame everything on Bush and Cheney. |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 343
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:47 am: |
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A business is a business. Its still better than boarded up store fronts and broken windows.
In addition, I hope these businesses thrive, no matter what they are selling (legally of course)
We would all like to see more unique stores, the beaded path place and Nomads are a start, but I say we fill up the store fronts with what we can and see what time will tell.
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overtaxdalready
Citizen
Username: Overtaxdalready
Post Number: 182
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 9:34 am: |
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Well, at least you're upfront about it Jeff. |
jgberkeley
Supporter
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 3353
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 11:43 am: |
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Jeffl,
Thanx for the mention, but I'd like to point out that The Beaded Path is not a kids place. It is a shop that will sell beads and beading supplies, feature finished bead jewelry, offers classes on beading styles, basic and advanced techniques, and offers bead parties for children and adults. It is will be open to children and adults, and will service the beginner and serious bead makers.
End of correction: the above was not an attempt to steal free advertisement, rather just a correction to a posted statement.
Ittap2001,
Having gone thru the process, I can assure you that there is no great board of Town Committee members that sit to review and approve independent store owners and the legal, permitted efforts that they chose to take.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1578
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 11:59 am: |
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I understand that it will be kind of like Painting The Plates, only with beadwork instead of ceramics. |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 920
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 12:13 pm: |
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Anyone who has previously driven down SA, probably knows about the bumpouts and are aware of the new traffic flow - However, for folks who are first time shoppers to SA - lured to shop there because their kids are at the new Skatepark and they need to kill some time ;) the bumpouts come as a big surprise. Since the bumpouts are here to stay, the challenge is now, to mark everything as clearly as possible through extra signage, reflective materials - perhaps some sort of railed fence around the bumpout areas.
I agree with NRL, the new businesses on SA significantly improve the avenue and are better than boarded up shops. - I predict when the Police Station moves to SA, we'll see an influx of the kinds of shops everyone has been wishing for: Starbucks, antique Shops, art stores etc.
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jgberkeley
Supporter
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 3354
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 1:23 pm: |
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Tom,
The Beaded Path will have very little likeness in product or process to the Painting The Plates store. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1579
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 1:32 pm: |
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Guess I heard wrong. What's the difference? |
jgberkeley
Supporter
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 3360
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 2:27 pm: |
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Look above at my 11:43 post. |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 643
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 4:27 pm: |
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perhaps there is a need for demarcation of parking areas, but a driver that cannot take a tractor trailer down this avenue without hitting stuff, is a very poor tractor trailer driver. I have seen firsthand many places with MUCH more narrow roads, which also have hairpin turns, and I have seen firsthand, tractor trailers MANAGE those roads and turns - while I was in the lane of oncoming traffic! it can be done, it just take a qualified, attention-paying driver. based on the information provided, this incident is the fault of the driver, not SA or its planners. |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 644
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 4:27 pm: |
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ps what's a down tree? |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2233
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 4:55 pm: |
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1-2 Many: A down tree is a tree that was knocked down -- in this case three trees on SA taken out by moving vehicle that allegedly couldn't navigate the bump outs.
I am more concerned about extra wide and/or extra long vehicles trying to turn on to or off of SA not having enough room to make their turns due to the bump outs than vehicles already on the road which are moving in a straight line.
Does anyone know if any traffic engineering studies were done to ensure that the SA intersections with bump outs were wide enough for such vehicles? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1584
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 5:04 pm: |
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Why should extra-longs be pulling off or on to Springfield within the friendly confines of Maplewood, other than at a major intersection such as Valley?
And if they are going into residential neighborhoods, the intersections there are even tighter! |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1663
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 6:31 pm: |
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if a huge semi can get into the drive next to little King's on Maplewood ave, then any vehicle can make the turns around the bumpouts.
i like the bumpouts. It's the timing of the lights that needs fixing. If they staggered the greens on the ave, then through traffic wouldn't be so tempted to use the ave like a super highway.
And the parking spaces ought to be painted thusly. There is only a line at the beginning and one at the end of a long stretch delineating the parking zone and well, it's not clear. I think we could afford a can of paint to fix this. |
sac
Citizen
Username: Sac
Post Number: 804
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 7:08 pm: |
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I think it will help when all of the bumpouts are done. At that point, it will be more of on an average-width road with periodic parking areas, rather than a wide road suddenly and surprisingly (to some) becoming narrow. Let's give it a chance. After all, we will all benefit if the effort to improve Springfield Avenue is a success. |
lseltzer
Citizen
Username: Lseltzer
Post Number: 1944
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:13 pm: |
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You don't get down from trees, you get down from a goose. Or from a horse. |
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1231
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 1, 2003 - 8:57 pm: |
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ffof, how do you time lights on a two way street? I'm thinking about staggered lights, like on the avenues in Manhattan, but I can't picture it on Springfield Avenue.
Tom Reingold
There is nothing
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Ittap2001
Citizen
Username: Ittap2001
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 1:09 am: |
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Tom I would have to agree with you staggered lights would surely stop speeders.With lights green all at once its like a raceway |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1664
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:55 am: |
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isn't that what i said? |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 441
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 4:41 pm: |
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A friend owns a business on SA and her observation some weeks ago concerned snow removal. Will the plowdrivers know where the bump-outs are?
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Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2235
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 7:35 pm: |
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If the plow drivers don't know where the bump outs are now, they will know shortly after the first good snow storm. |
jgberkeley
Supporter
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 3368
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 6, 2003 - 10:28 pm: |
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Having spent the entire day working on the store on Springfield Avenue, I can attest to the fact that the Snow Plow drivers did just fine with the bump outs.
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic.
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