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llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 365
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 3:44 pm: | 
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I am very pleased for 2 reasons:
1). The townspeople's voices were heard.
2). Reason has prevailed over ignorance.
It's amazing how some people still don't understand that the service would not necessarily improve, but the revenues to Verizon would be guaranteed, at the expense of making a residential zone uglier.
I am going to celebrate with strawberries & champagne!
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5772
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 3:48 pm: |
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Straw,
But tell us how you really feel. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 3967
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 3:54 pm: |
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I think Tom R hit on something very important. In the quest to make smaller, lighter phones they also are becoming less powerful. My three year old phone (a/k/a "The Brick") works all over town with Verizon service, although I don't patronize Kims and Anthony Garubo.  |
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1250
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 3:58 pm: |
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Right, bobk, and the future lies in designing cell towers that we don't mind looking at and putting them all over. Eventually, cell phones will be embedded in our skulls or something like that, and they will put out very low power.
The funny thing about cell phone service is that, while it works a whole lot better than it ever did, our expectations are climbing even faster, so our dissatisfaction is greater than ever!
Tom Reingold
There is nothing
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mrmaplewood
Citizen
Username: Mrmaplewood
Post Number: 98
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 5:03 pm: |
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Gosh! How lucky can I get.
I grew up in the 50's and 60's when there was no such thing as a cell phone. My children grew up in the 80's and 90's and never had one either. How could we all have survived the mortal dangers of Maplewood without one?
Can we stop sounding like spoiled rotten kids? Does anyone remember "I WANT MY MAYPO!"
What is important in life - health, happiness, shelter, food..... Not cellphones and towers. If you disagree, I would hope you re-examine your priorities. |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 32
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 5:11 pm: |
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Thank you, MrMaplewood, I was about to write something very similar. You're right on target. |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 366
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 5:46 pm: |
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DANGER...DANGER...BREACH IN COMMUNICATION...GET OUT OF PUB...GET OUT OF KIMS NAILS...DANGER...DANGER...GET OUT OF KINGS...DANGER...GET OUT OF TRATTORIA...DANGER...TALK ON PHONE WHILE DRIVING ON MAPLEWOOD AVENUE... |
Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 151
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 6:55 pm: |
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"I CAN'T ORDER MY MEDS FROM MAPLEWOOD AVE ON MY CELL PHONE!!!!! This because of you liberal tree hugging, grenola eating, electric car driving, tax me to death, Howard "dopey" Dean loving liberals!"
I think this is another one of Straw's comments which should live on to posterity.
Pack your own chute.
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rckymtn
Citizen
Username: Rckymtn
Post Number: 204
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:04 pm: |
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There will be a lawsuit. Keep an eye on federal court in Newark. Verizon, Sprint, AT&T etc. do not invest this much time and money into a project only to be turned down by a planning board. They build litigation costs into their budgets. They are much, much, much more wealthy than lil' ol' Maplewood. Tell me, how much of your tax money are you willing to pay to outside lawyers (planning board counsel won't be able to handle the litigation) before you're willing to see the tower rise? Sorry to be cynical, but it's not a matter of whether the planning board decision was legally correct; it's a matter of who has enough money to make it to the next level. I would think that not too much money will go down the drain in litigation costs before one of the four "nays" will roll on the other three and settle the case before the TC has to raise our taxes yet again. |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:05 pm: |
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It may live on to posterity but sounds like it came out his posterior
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1666
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:10 pm: |
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algie- I bet the pub has a phone number that you could leave with the sitter as a backup When our kids were little, there were no cell phones, but we still managed to get out!
Don't get me wrong, we take our cell out all the time now, our dependency is astounding.
but handy for getting in touch with my roaming teens. They still have to call from a land line, though, when at someone's house so that I know, with caller id, that they are where they say they are.
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Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 152
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:10 pm: |
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Pack your own chute.
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algebra2
Citizen
Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 1458
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 8:20 pm: |
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I do leave the number! The pub is on my emergency list. I suppose not having cell service in the pub isn't a giant problem -- it's more for my sitter, not me  . |
strawberry
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1513
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 11:46 pm: |
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Suppose Algebra tells her baby sitter she's going to the pub but when she arrives it's too damn crowded. Should she then call her baby sitter over and over until she finds a place?????
THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY DAMN IT! GET THE CELL TOWER IN PLACE BEFORE FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA CALLS DUNCAN'S CELL PHONE FOR A BIG PART IN HIS NEW FILM, AND DUNCAN CAN'T BE REACHED!
right, Duncan?
"That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001."
--President George W. Bush
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Chris Dickson
Citizen
Username: Ironman
Post Number: 876
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 11:53 pm: |
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Strawbury: You're the COOLEST!
Big Train
Horn-infused funkification!
www.bigtraintracks.com
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strawberry
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1514
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 2, 2003 - 11:56 pm: |
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"That moment has directly affected my foreign policy. See, it changed the nature of the presidency. It changed the security arrangements of the United States of America. I vowed to the American people I would never forget the lessons of September the 11th, 2001."
--President George W. Bush
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virgilian
Citizen
Username: Virgilian
Post Number: 153
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 12:39 am: |
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My cel phone works throughout Maplewood.
But if for some important reason you've chosen to use a service that doesn't work in the town in which you live, tell your cel company to put its special tower in some of the neighboring blight.
Since most love clever ideas that solve unrelated problems simultaneously and irrationally, the bridge at Vauxhall to be re-engineered will be a drive-thru cell tower, Eiffel-esque like the neato new bridge walls, but sort of a grand sequoia through which many will return, triumphantly homeward, following their daily contributions to humanity. We could keep the new jump-ramps. |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 367
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 8:12 am: |
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I wonder what all the folks who adamantly support the tower would say if it was to be put in their residentially zoned back yards?
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Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1238
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 8:26 am: |
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Hey Straw.. a call from Coppola the man I would be happy to miss, ever since he butchered Dracula...Now should Sophia put in a call I would be sad indeed to miss that one
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky
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Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 131
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 9:00 am: |
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I hear CB's work well in downtown maplewood.
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today.
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grw
Citizen
Username: Grw
Post Number: 209
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 9:13 am: |
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rckymtn It's the Board of Adjustment not the Planning Board, also
I believe the contract between the MCC and Verizon is null and void if the Board of Adjustment voted it down, so, if the MCC decides that this is too much anxiety on their neighbors, maybe they will just let this go, I was told that if the MCC Knew in advance that this would create such problems with their neighbors, they wouldn't have signed a contract in the first place. |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 90
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 10:07 am: |
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Do you really think they'd do it in someones backyard??
I'd gladly rent the space to them!! $40,000 a year, That would be awesome! |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5776
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 10:37 am: |
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LOL
Hey, maybe Les Saisons can have one in its backyard. |
Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 153
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 10:46 am: |
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I have Verizon Wireless, and the service is great. I just renewed for another two years, and I live smack in the middle of the dead spot. However, the Mobile Office Kit for the LG phone is a nightmare. I still can't get it to work on my pc.
Pack your own chute.
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Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 92
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 10:51 am: |
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You know... I'd actually do it for less if they let me tap in to the generator during blackouts! |
ReallyTrying
Citizen
Username: Reallytrying
Post Number: 188
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 1:58 pm: |
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, and I'm not trying to be whiney, but there's no news of this action at the town's Website. It really would be nice if we could rely on the town's site for news. |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1244
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 2:23 pm: |
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Really Trying..dont you understand that is what MOL is for??
sheesh
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky
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ReallyTrying
Citizen
Username: Reallytrying
Post Number: 190
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 2:39 pm: |
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Well, sheesh yourself, I knew that! I was at a function recently, and a bunch of us were talking about MOL, and everyone agreed it's the place to get the news. I just think it would be nice if the town were to keep the "News" section of the town's own Website up-to-date. |
Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 155
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 2:56 pm: |
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I looked for the news in the Star Ledger, for I was sitting next to their reporter Monday night, and there's been no story about it in that paper either.
Pack your own chute.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2503
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 3:00 pm: |
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There was a story in today's Ledger:
quote:
Verizon antenna request rejected
Neighbors opposed Maplewood tower
Wednesday, December 03, 2003
BY ROB WILLIAMS
Star-Ledger Staff
Verizon Wireless is considering its options after the Maplewood Board of Adjustment rejected the company's application Monday to build a cellular tower on the grounds of the Maplewood Country Club.
Verizon spokeswoman Robin Nicol said it was too early to tell exactly what actions the company planned to take regarding the decision.
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5796
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 3:19 pm: |
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quote: "I believe the positives outweigh the negatives," Pettis said, who along with Levanthal was elected last month to the township committee. "By allowing this tower with a maximum of 110 feet, we would be able to provide better coverage for carriers."
Somehow I don't think that's the way Ken wanted to phrase it. |
STRAW'S THE COOLEST
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1524
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 3:36 pm: |
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I wonder if Fred Profeta is starting to think he made a serious mistake choosing Leventhal.
"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
--Ronald Wilson Reagan
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Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 156
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 3:23 pm: |
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Given Ken Pettis recent statements about the Verizon proposal, it appears that his action to delay testimony by Veronica Peralta to the Zoning Board regarding real estate prices was no accident. In retrospect it looks like an effort to discourage the witness from testifying by forcing her to come back over an over again. It is certainly not novel or illegal, but simply an indication of the character of the man and a hint of the type of tactics we may expect from him as he joins the TC. I'm not so sure he's such a nice guy anymore...
Pack your own chute.
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grw
Citizen
Username: Grw
Post Number: 213
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 4:32 pm: |
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It seemed odd to me that after Kathy said she noticed that no one came forward that was for the tower, Pettis replied in 10 years being on the Board of Adjustment, he didn't remember anyone coming forward in favor of a variance, that was a surprising statement since at the LAST meeting, three people with children came forward in support of the tutorial school that had applied for a variance. Also, he claimed that he walked the course 4 times in all 4 seasons and said that the only way you would see the tower was if you walked right up to it and looked up-yeah right!! |
Copihue
Citizen
Username: Cop
Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 4:41 pm: |
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No, Ken didn't seem to think much about the very real possibility that some folks would be loosing some money with the deal or that the view which they cherished would be marred.
Pack your own chute.
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