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Robert Lilly
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 164
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 5:01 pm: | 
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Or will they decide to lynch a cop or two?
People who attack police officers listen up. My attitude towards people who attack police officers is really very simple. When you assault a law enforcement officer you have given them permission to use additional force to get you to succumb. Got it?
They are just doing their jobs and if you fight them, while being placed under arrest, you will make them mad. They will ask for, and most certainly receive, additional help from their fellow officers, and you will ultimately be taken into custody. Now understand?
The Justice Department is now getting into the act in the unfortunate death of Nathaniel Jones in Cincinnati. Jones was the rather large man who, while high on cocaine and other drugs, attacked police. Police fought back (surprise), trying to subdue Jones. He was hit with clubs during the process. Later Jones was taken to a hospital where he died.
Will Cincinnati burn, as did L.A. following the Rodney King affair?
Did anyone see the entire video? Or did the media supply only the portion that arouses complaint?
There were only two officers present when that now-famous video was shot. When Jones attacked one of them the other would have been well within his rights to pull a gun and fire. His fellow officer was being attacked, (Jones outweighed the officer under attack by about 150 pounds). He could have easily overpowered that officer, taken his gun and killed him in just a matter of seconds.
The second policeman took the high road though and waded in to try to help subdue the lard ass.
Medical reports show that Jones only suffered bruises on the lower half of his body. The medical investigation shows that there was no damage to any vital internal organs. This is exactly the way the police are trained. They did what they were supposed to do.
Police subdued a violent, DRUGGED-UP attacker properly.
Jones died probably because he was in no physical condition to attack a police officer. He had an enlarged heart. His situation was also made worse by his drug habit.
These police should be exonerated quickly and put back on the job.
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overtaxdalready
Citizen
Username: Overtaxdalready
Post Number: 183
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 5:30 pm: |
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Well stated, Robert. |
redY67
Citizen
Username: Redy67
Post Number: 197
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 3, 2003 - 7:50 pm: |
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I don't know how much of the video I saw, but what I did see I think the police acted well within their right. How anyone can interpret this differently is amazing. The police officers asked the gentleman (I use that term loosley) sixteen times to put his hands on the hood of the car and back off BEFORE they ever laid a hand on him.
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 5799
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 12:17 am: |
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As it happens I just saw the portion available to the media, so my point of view is thus biased. The man didn't have a gun. There seemed to be five or six police officers around him, clubbing him and stabbing at him rather violently with large blunt objects. Obviously I wasn't there and the details will come out in a courtroom, but why was this kind of force required here? Yes, this was a large man. Yes, he was on some substance. Yes, he was probably lashing out. However, I can't get my head around the idea of pulverizing someone into unconsciousness (let alone death) for simply not complying to requests. Police should only use such force if their own lives are in danger, in my opinion. I really don't see that they were in this case. Add to that Cincinnati's somewhat notorious repuation as a racially divisive city and my concern deepens a bit.
However, I won't second guess the police officers' decision without a more complete review of the video and testimony. Ultimately, we must count on our law enforcement for our own protection and they deserve the benefit of a doubt.
I wonder if all "drugged up" "lard asses" deserve death? My quasi-liberal-Judeo-Christian self says decidedly "no." |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1245
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 8:02 am: |
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Well Dave take a look at the coroners report this morning. The guy was stoked. He had an enlarged heart, was on Coke and PCP, had methanol dipped cigs in the car. The coroner says..
"the death was a homicide because the struggle and restraint caused Jones' death, but noted that Jones would have been more likely to survive had he not used drugs, been obese or suffered from the weakened heart."
To which I add..he would also have survived had he NOT STARTED THROWING PUNCHES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Blood Toxicity levels indicate a guy completely toasted and impaired. What should the police have done? I dont know. Sure he didnt have a weapon but a man that size, that strung up is a weapon, so what choice does a cop have in that moment when the man starts lunging and throwing his arms around your neck. I am damned impressed no guns were fired at all.
But you are right Dave, I only saw the media released portion of the tape and only read this morning accounts. But I think it sucks all around. There are no winners here. The man is dead, the cops involved are, for the moment, being vivified, and Cincinatti is uneasy. Pray coolest heads prevail
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky
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Marvin Gardens
Citizen
Username: Marvin_gardens
Post Number: 25
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 8:27 am: |
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As far as I'm concerned this guy's death just raised the Intelligence Quotient of the American gene pool. One less bell to answer, know whut ah mean? It would have only been a matter of time before this dreg injured some innocent during one of his binges and then the good citizens of Cincinnati would have been asking "Where were the Police?" It's a no win situation for the cops.
Good riddence.
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Do Not Pass Go
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bella
Citizen
Username: Bella
Post Number: 405
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 1:41 pm: |
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I've seen most of the video and I've seen the video shot from the White Castle cameras. He was attacking the police officers and would not calm down. He did not die because he was struck with a billy club. He died because he was 350 lbs, had heart disease, had used PCP no more than 5 hours before and cocaine no more than 3 hours before. Given these factors his heart couldn't handle his decision to attack police officers. The coroner ruled this a homicide but in the medical sense (it couldn't be ruled a natural death or suicide)& quite clearly stated that the injuries sustained in the struggle did not cause any internal damage.
In contrast to the unrest following the shooting death of Timothy Thomas, things have been pretty calm around here. Sure, jerks like Damon Lynch, Jr. are trying to use this to further their crusade against the city. But most people aren't buying his allegation that this is a racially motivated attack by the police. |
jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 322
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 2:31 pm: |
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I think the cops showed amazing restraint, the impulse to club him in the head must have been hard to resist. Personaly I would have given him a turban . |
redY67
Citizen
Username: Redy67
Post Number: 199
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 5:53 pm: |
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Dave-- I am just curious at what you saw. When I saw the video the man never once stopped trying to swing at the police. He was constantly trying to "go at" them, while they were trying to pin him down and cuff him. I saw the officers several times try and cuff him, only to have the man throw the cop off of him. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5816
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Thursday, December 4, 2003 - 11:32 pm: |
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The first time I saw it I didn't see the part where he attacked one of the police officers. I only saw the clip of the officers beating him with batons. Today I saw more of it. |
Robert Lilly
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 169
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 5, 2003 - 10:29 am: |
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Dave, I wonder on which network you saw only that portion of the video of the officers beating him with batons. Did you only happen to miss rest of it? Or did that network purposely not air that portion until the following day?
There is no such thing as bias in media! |
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