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NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 383
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 5:25 pm: | 
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Typical Duncan response.
Desparation of the lost left at its best...
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Yogi
Citizen
Username: Yogi
Post Number: 28
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 5:40 pm: |
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cjc: no links to sources? we should take your word for it? why?
Democrats believe in pay as you go. Republicans believe in making their kids pay the tab and hurting the poor always. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1338
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 7:54 pm: |
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NRL.. Im not desperate, despite your good wishes. I just honestly wonder what its like to be right all the time. Cause I am wrong more often than I am right. And as a result I keep learning. For which I am thankful. More appropriately "typical NRL response. The egomainia of the radical right at its worst"
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky
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Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 32
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 10:18 pm: |
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We seem to have replaced the "Tax And Spend" Democrats with the "Borrow And Spend" Republicans. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 595
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 11:41 am: |
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Chris and Yogi -- Clinton was all for 200B deficits far as the eye could see and NEVER, NEVER put out a budget that didn't contain at least an 8% overall spending increase. Then suddenly -- the economy's growth pares down deficits to the point that there are supluses. Add to that, he wanted to try universal healthcare and it's spending. and the democrats still to THIS DAY talk about expanding the drug benefit that was just passed IN SPITE of the deficits. They wanted to do that with a recession, and they want to do that with growth. And they would spend more than any of their tax increases may have offset EVERY TIME.
Yogi -- what was paid for when Social Security was created? What was "paid for" with the Great Society began? Nothing was!
"Hurting the poor always"??? That doesn't even merit a response.....
Boogie -- I was talking about republicans and democrats in the current Congress. As for the 90s...the republicans are no heros to me. In 1995 they undeservedly took a fall for "cutting school lunches" when the budget was increased and the govt "shut down" that Clinton actually was responsible for and they lost their nerve. So as far as spending discipline -- they had none. They only thing they got right was cap gains tax cuts along with providing certainty to businesses out there that they wouldn't face increased taxation and that provided the basis for the substantial growth that occured AFTER 1994.
None -- read none -- of the democrats today running for president ask for lower overall spending because of the deficit monster. None....NONE....have a plan to reduce the deficit. They just toss the word out there cuz Bush is in office -- not any core belief or party plank involved. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 187
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 11:53 am: |
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capital gains due to bubble led to surplus.
The contract with america was a good thing--read it instead of accepting the spin from the PC.
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
bond yields headed lower and the stock took off because of this.
The 2 years before Newt and Co took over the stock mkt was basically flat and long term interest rates were higher. Stocks didnt like the idea of national health care and didnt believe congress would restrain spending.
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
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Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 95
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 12:05 pm: |
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NJ is backing clowning. Keith Obermann from MSNBC suggest that the dems clown FDR so he can run for president cause they got nobody else. Bush in 2004!!!!! |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 389
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 4:50 pm: |
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cjc,
considering how Clinton was slammed at the time for the "largest tax increase in history," how can you fail to mention its role in deficit reduction?
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NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 386
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 6:56 pm: |
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Its only taking BUSH 3 years to fix what Clinton screwed up in 8
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musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 420
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 7:02 pm: |
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http://www.georgeinthebox.com/
order yours today! |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 389
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 7:06 pm: |
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Its only taking BUSH 3 years to fix what Clinton screwed up in 8
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1677
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 10:36 pm: |
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Winston, you and I are wasting our breath. It's not a matter of reason and logic. Hating Clinton is a religion for these people. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10533
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 11:05 pm: |
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So is your hatred of Bush. Can't you see that or are you willfully blind? Seriously now Tom, the equivalence is always borne out of the fact that there aren't two Presidents in power at one time so comparisons are inevitable.
The statute of limitations for judging Clinton didn't expire on 1/20/01. They won't expire for Dubya on 1/20/05 or 1/20/09 for Democrats like you who want to take pot shots.
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Strawberry
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1594
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 12:32 am: |
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"We won't always have the strongest military"
--Howard Dean
"Most competent and qualified kindergarden teachers can tell you who the 5 kids are in his or her class likely to wind up in prison 15 - 20 years from now."
--Howard Dean
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1976
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 6:01 am: |
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Blaming past presidents for today's problems is how the game is played. However, believing that eight years of Republicans instead of Bubba would have prevented the attacks of 11 September is a bit of stretch. |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 390
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 7:38 am: |
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Its only taking BUSH 3 years to fix what Clinton screwed up in 8
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2591
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 8:09 am: |
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Just for the record, this thread officially ended with Sbenois' post at 11:05 p.m. last night. According to the rule:As a discussion of US politics grows longer, the probability of a liberal or progressive being called a "Bush-Hater" approaches one. Once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever called someone a Bush Hater has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Congratulations to Tom on his recent win!  |
Charles "Chuck" Howley
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Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 199
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 9:39 am: |
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Please, please, pretty please ... make Howard Dean the nominee of the Democratic Party.
Hopefully Democrats are stupid enough to allow this clown to get the nomination. Please, please, oh pretty please.
Howard Dean thinks that America is no safer today than it was before 9/11.
Prior to 9/11 Al Qaeda was operating openly and with the full protection of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Today most of the Al Qaeda leadership is either dead or in custody, the Taliban is out of business in Afghanistan and what's left of Osama and his crowd are on the run and spending more time on just avoiding capture than they are planning new attacks on America.
And Dean doesn't think America is any safer?
Has Howard Dean flown on a commercial airline lately? Every single piece of luggage checked into the baggage hold of a commercial airliner is now screened for weapons, explosives and other dangerous materials. Passengers are subjected to an unparalleled level of scrutiny before they board an aircraft.
And Howard Dean doesn't think America is any safer?
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1679
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 9:41 am: |
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thank you, thank you very much... |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 598
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 10:48 am: |
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Boogie -- some studies (which I believe, natch) show that the Clinton tax hike on the middle class and wealthy actually reduced revenues to the Treasury from what could have been realized by 1/3. The rich didn't just sit there and take it. They shielded their assets. Happens every time. But -- when cap gains tax cuts went into effect, the middle class and rich took cap gains and also began investing (see the stock market start moving in 1994-5), thereby increasing revenues into the Treasury. Clinton could have had those same gains in 1993 if he just left things alone.
Plus, there's that massive middle class tax cut that Clinton promised that we all got. You know -- the one Joe Lieberman points to as one of the tenets of what it means to be a Democrat. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10534
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 5:44 pm: |
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quote:Just for the record, this thread officially ended with Sbenois' post at 11:05 p.m. last night. According to the rule:
As a discussion of US politics grows longer, the probability of a liberal or progressive being called a "Bush-Hater" approaches one. Once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever called someone a Bush Hater has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
Congratulations to Tom on his recent win!
Dearest Nohero,
I'm glad that your ability to reason only includes one side of the equation. I make a rational attempt at trying to point out the hypocrisy in the reasoning used here and all you can do is respond with yet another one-sided view of the world.
Congratulations indeed.
Please tell me when we're going to get an unbiased rule on how these threads are allegedly supposed to end and then many of us will begin to take you seriously.
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2596
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 5:58 pm: |
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If anyone were actually to take me seriously, I would stop posting, forthwith.
But, thanks for playing! |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 308
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 3:09 am: |
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America is not really much safer. Some physical threats have been blocked, but most remain. Air freight still travels without effective screening, the subways and trains in NYC are effectively unprotected, etc. etc.
A quick glance at the electoral map shows that most Republicans live in areas that are not at risk, so it's not surprising that George A.W.O.L. Bush can get away with tough talk and good visuals. |
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