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Face
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Post Number: 432
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 7:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will Dems soon eat more crow now that additional information is coming out about the U.N.'s "Oil for Food Program"?

Remember their candidate, John F-ing Kerry, and how he felt it prudent and necessary to not only meet with U.N.leaders, but seek their approval before doing practically anything?

Seems the U.N. wasn't all that good ol JFK had in mind.

Do any of you still wonder why France, Russia and the U.N didn't support the coalition invading Iraq and getting rid of Sadaam?

How long before Kofi goes bye-bye?
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tjohn
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Post Number: 2745
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 8:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can think of a number of reasons why France, Russia, et al did not support our invasion of Iraq.

U.N. corruption is not among those reasons. Given the issues at stake, $20B is petty cash.
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Maple Man
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Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 8:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Canadians still seem pretty peeved at the U.S. over the invasion. I wonder what their hidden agenda is?
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Montagnard
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Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 9:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now we have the "Oil for Lives" program from George W.M.D. Bush and the Halliburton Company. Not everyone sees this as an improvement.
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notehead
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Post Number: 1752
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Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How can you find Dem culpability in that scandal?! Americans don't appear to have been the guys taking the money.
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Nohero
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Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Pope wasn't too crazy about the Iraq invasion.

I guess Face is accusing the Pope of being on Saddam's payroll, also.

Nice going, Face.
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Thenewguy
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, December 2, 2004 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alledged/actual corruption at the U.N. has nothing to do with the election.
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Brainiac
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Post Number: 32
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 4:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The U.N. is corrupt , plain and simple. Don't mix that with the failure of the Dems to win the election or to lose more seats in congress and senate.
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cjc
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Post Number: 2854
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Agreed. However, politically speaking, as Democrats don't need evidence to call for someone's head but merely serious charges, they are noticeably quiet about Kofi. And since they hold the UN in such high regard (depending on the election cycle, because they didn't when Clinton wanted to move in the Balkans. And Rwanda? Nuf said), you'd think they'd be leading the charge to get to the bottom of this.....

except they aren't.....

because.....Democrats are and can be successfully tied to the UN and all it is. Will it cost them seats? Probably not in and of itself.
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Maple Man
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

because only Democratic politicians are hypocrites. another fact I've learned on MOL.
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bobk
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Post Number: 6871
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some of the Fox News reports are interesting. They have interviewed a number of French deputies on the subject of Chirac's possible involvement. However, they never say that these legislators are from the Socialist Party. LOL

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mtierney
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are a number of indictments pending against Chirac, waiting for when he leaves office. Can't indict a sitting prez in France. I would bet there isn't much of a chance the French will unseat him. France is a Ukraine waiting to happen IMHO. Just waiting for the right trigger point. Don't expect the UN scandal is it. The growing Muslim population might be, however, down the road.
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Earlster
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 2:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

France is a Ukraine waiting to happen IMHO.




No way.
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Montagnard
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Post Number: 1332
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 2:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's GOPthink gone wild. We'll be welcomed with flowers for sure, just like in '44.
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Straw's world
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Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 2:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd be curious to hear what John Kerry has to say about this. Afterall, he pretty much ran as the UN'S choice for President.
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Rastro
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Post Number: 467
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Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 2:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He did? I must have missed that endorsement.

But I'm sure he would say something along the lines of what Bush said. Nothing. Or as close to nothing as possible. What could he say until a full investigation is performed?
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Chris Prenovost
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few basic facts, that I hope most will agree on:

1) The U.N. is an utterly corrupt organization that represents a host of military dictatorships around the world. Freedom is not on their agenda.

2) The American people were lied to by the administration about Saddam's WMD's and his links to Al-Queda to justify the war.

3) Notwithstanding the above, getting rid of him was probably a good thing.

4) Our occupation of Iraq has been a spectacular failure, and seems to be getting worse.

5) Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Earlster
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Post Number: 743
Registered: 8-2003


Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 3:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris -
1) The U.N. surely has it's flaws, and there is corruption, but it is not utterly corrupt. And it sure doesn't represent a host of military dictatorships.
I'm all for reform of the U.N., but your comment is puring the baby out with the bath water.

3) Saddam gone, good. But not even close to, worth the cost in human life and political unstability that it caused.

I agree with the rest.
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Chris Prenovost
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 4:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Earlster, we need a world body, and I am not advocating throwing out the U N. But we have got to do better. The world body seems to be very forgiving of military dictatorships (e.g. Iraq, Iran, practically every country in Africa, Mainland China, ect.) but unduly harsh on democracies (the U.S. and Israel). The U N made a massive effort against apartheid, but does precious little about nuclear proliferation unless pushed to do so by the U.S. And the number of genocides (Rwanda, Bosnia, and currently Sudan) that take place with nary a whisper out of the august body on the East River is depressing.
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tjohn
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Post Number: 2746
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Friday, December 3, 2004 - 6:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corruption is a never-ending cancer of all societies. Some have it worse than others, but all have it. Certainly, the current U.N. scandal should be properly investigated and heads should roll. However, some people carry on about U.N. corruption as if such things never happened here in Holy America. It seems to me that the money involved some of our better corruption cases dwarfs the oil-for-food scandal. Teapot Dome, Savings & Loan, Enron, Tammany Hall, usw. The list is endless.

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