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Guy
Citizen
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 429
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 10:41 am: | 
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There was talk of Bernie's financial dealings. Off the top of my head I can point to Clinton's Whitewater dealings and Hillary's commodity futures trading. I am sure the Clintons took more gifts than Bernie ever did.
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Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1569
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 10:49 am: |
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Kerik is history (as in gone), the Clinton's made history (and positive despite all your pathetic efforts). DEAL WITH IT!!!. |
jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 448
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:01 am: |
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What "Whitewater dealings?" After six years of "investigation," they couldn't come up with any evidence of wrongdoing. Hillary didn't make any more of a "killing" in the market than Bush did by conveniently dumping his Harkin stock right before the company tanked. I guess he was just luckier than Martha Stewart. |
Guy
Citizen
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 430
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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Uke,Clinton will always be remembered for Monica Lewinsky. This may have saved him from being further investigated for his other scandals, most notably his shady dealings with Chinese donors.
In timley fashion Mack Rich's name has resurfaced . This time as a main player in the Oil for Food scandal. Clinton's legacy will always be tarnished.
Jkatz, Kerik is a choir boy compared to Clinton. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 584
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:10 am: |
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Kerik's criminal and moral wrongdoings really have nothing to do with Clinton, but it does have everything to do with a White House whose vetting process couldn't come up with one of the many things Kerik is in trouble for, a further sign of Bush and Co.'s complete incompetence. Kerik and Jason Giambi can trade sob stories over shots of whiskey for the rest of their dead careers. And Bush will have to answer why he would blindly appoint a two-bit thug to one of the nation's highest positions without proper background check... |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 493
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:15 am: |
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Luckily, no one here writes textbooks. Clinton and Bush will both be remembered as all Presidents are remembered. Some good, some bad. Clinton will likely be treated relatively evenly, with his accomplishments in office and his extra-curricular activities both noted.
Except by those with a strong interest or animosity, most Presidents are remembered for a small number of actions. How many people know more about Lincoln than he "freed the slaves" and got shot in the head?
Those who hate Clinton will remember his misdealings. Those who love him will remember his positive actions. Just as those who hate Bush will remember him for being less than forthright about things and getting the US into a war for the wrong reasons. And those who love him will likely remember him as a strong, decisive President who tried to make the world safe for democracy. Personal bias will always play into how a President is remembered, especially when they are still alive. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1277
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:20 am: |
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Now he's got a "forgotten wife" too?
Check Newsday.
People are jumping over his railing so fast he must have "Titanic" written on his side. Giuliani is all "well, I don't really know all that much about him, really." |
Guy
Citizen
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 431
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:23 am: |
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Rastro I actually liked Clinton when he was President. I viewed him as a great statesman and diplomat . I did not support him being removed from office. Didn't really worry too much about his scandals. However on 9-11 Clinton's presidency lost its luster.
My original point is that if any nominee had Clinton's past , he never would be approved. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1278
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:25 am: |
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Maybe there aint no nanny?
From www.talkingpointsmemo.com
On Sunday, December 12th, the local paper, the Bergen Record, reported that Kerik spokeswoman Sunny Mindel told them that "the housekeeper worked in his Old Mill Road home in 2003 while Kerik was in Iraq training police in Baghdad."
The very same day, though, the Washington Post -- usually a reliable outfit -- reported that Kerik's lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, told them that "she worked for Kerik for about 18 months and had returned to Mexico six weeks ago, in keeping with a plan she had for several months."
But, yet again on the same day, the LA Times reported that the woman, "left the country about two weeks ago, under circumstances Kerik has not described."
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2897
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:34 am: |
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jjkatz -- your statement "What "Whitewater dealings?" After six years of "investigation," they couldn't come up with any evidence of wrongdoing." isn't accurate.
THere were 15 convictions, including the then-sitting governor of AR Jim "Guy" Tucker and who can forget the Clinton Administration employee Webb Hubbell. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1280
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 11:49 am: |
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And what word did not appear in Ken Starr's final report? I'll give you a hint: starts with "Whitewate...". |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 2899
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 3:32 pm: |
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themp is right. Whitewater had plenty of indictments and convictions, but the people around Clinton were guilty, whereas the people they worked for -- the Clintons -- were not. Funny how that happens. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 496
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 3:39 pm: |
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Kinda like abu graib? |
jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 656
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:25 pm: |
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It's been opined that Karl Rove set this up just to embarrass Giuliani & derail any future pres. run. Clear the way for the spanish speaking Jeb. Now thats mission accomplished. |
chocoholic
Citizen
Username: Shrink
Post Number: 238
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:33 pm: |
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The vetting process was overseen by Alberto Gonzalez, White House counsel. He also was accused of mishandling cases in Texas, when he was associated with Bush there. He has never been in a court room. I'm wondering why I haven't heard Maureen Dowd, TNR, Al Franken, Janeanne Garafolo loudly proclaiming his incompetence, as they did recently ( and unfairly) to Condoleeza Rice. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 9:59 am: |
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He's actually a monster!
"An apartment in Battery Park City that former Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik secured for his personal use after Sept. 11 was originally donated for the use of weary police and rescue workers who were helping at ground zero, according to a real estate executive who has been briefed about the apartment. "
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Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 589
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:20 am: |
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His lover, Judith Regan, referred to him (according to the NYPost) as "maniacal and insane." No wonder Bush liked him and thought he'd fit right in... |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 1286
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 10:26 am: |
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Aaron Brown reporting that Lieberman has said no for the second time to the WH regarding taking the Homeland security post, and that he has also turned down being the American ambassador to the UN.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4197
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 2:41 pm: |
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But there is some good news for Mr. Kerik.
He's still in the running for a Presidential Medal of Freedom. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1299
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:13 pm: |
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Excellent piece on www.talkingpointsmemo.com-
excerpt:
We already know from Wednesday's piece by Elizabeth Bumiller in the Times that though he got limited CIA and FBI briefings in the aftermath of 9/11, he was also "offered a high security clearance by federal officials so he could receive classified intelligence about the city's security ... But he failed to return a questionnaire needed for the F.B.I. to conduct a background check, and he never received that clearance."
That's really a helluva thing to forget, isn't it? You're the head police officer in New York City on 9/11. And in the weeks and months after that, preventing another attack is priority numbers 1 through 100. And you don't get around to returning the form that will take care of the background check that will get you the highest level clearance possible? The access to the most detailed and most highly classified information?
Think about that. It's extraordinary.
When the Times asked him about on Tuesday, Kerik's spokesman said he didn't remember ever getting a questionaire.
Later, when he was sent out to Baghdad, says the Times, he never managed to fill out a key financial disclosure form.
On a lot of these special assignments abroad, after a certain point, if you haven't gotten your paperwork and your clearances taken care of, you have to come home -- suggesting a possible reason for Kerik's early departure.
So the White House already had experience with Kerik's resistance to any background checks. But that didn't seem to make him any less desirable as the president's choice to have him run domestic security in the United States.
Just how many forms did he lose or forget to fill out? And again, why the early trip home from Baghdad? Where the two things related? And where there forms he managed to lose in this nomination cycle? |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1300
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:20 am: |
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Sorry to beat a dead horse but, by God, they are incompetent. This is what happens when a bunch of guys start calling each other heroes and patting each other on the back too much.
"White House officials have said they relied in part on the assumption that Mr. Kerik had already run a gantlet of city background checks before becoming police commissioner.
In fact, city investigators said in their statement yesterday that no one from the White House had ever contacted them about Mr. Kerik, either before or after he was nominated."
NYTimes
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jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 659
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:02 pm: |
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Your right on the mark Themp. Kerik : just another Rudy sycophant & derelict of his duties after 9/11 , instead of coordinating the aftermath of 9/11 as head of NYPD he was still playing Rudy's chauffeur, because thats where the cameras were . In the end he's just another corrupt moraly deficent Jersey guy . |
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