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     Valentine Michael Smith Citizen Username: Umbert Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2004  |
You know, I think it's real easy for a lot of people to sit in their comfy suburban homes, driving there SUV's, tucking their well fed children into a safe warm bed at night and support a war whose victims are not seen. I wonder if more people saw images of limbless or burnt children if they could still support the war in Iraq. So, to all the Bush/Iraq war supporters (although I don't think there are too many of you on MOL), I wonder how many of you can look at these photos and come back and say, "Yes, I still support the war. I think it is all worth it." I'm just curious. BE WARNED, THESE ARE VERY GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING IMAGES OF IRAQ WAR VICTIMS. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1378 Registered: 1-2003  |
Yes, I still support the war. I think it is all worth it. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 587 Registered: 7-2004 |
VMS: There are a lot of hawks on this board, and most of them seem pretty well grounded in their support of this war, despite links like the one you posted above. However, when pressed, none of these war supporters seem to want to contribute anything more to the cause than constant rhetoric on MOL, and frequent attacks on liberals and Bill Clinton. (After the election, I was chastised for calling them all a bunch of pussies for calling out their cowardice...) Most wingnutters here are vehemently dismissive of the fact that anything might be going wrong overseas, or in Bush's international policies. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4742 Registered: 1-2003  |
And I haven't seen anyone call for a tax hike to pay for the war. I also wonder how many parents encourage their kids to volunteer. I understand volunteer rates are falling, too. Supporting a war without willingness to pay for it is not really full support. So maybe we should take heart that there isn't really a lot of support for the war. Eventually, the costs will become evident. | ||
| jet Citizen Username: Jet Post Number: 657 Registered: 7-2001 |
VMS: If they were drafting little Johnny out of CHS to serve it would get radically different overnite. The whole thing seems removed from mainstream USA. | ||
| Valentine Michael Smith Citizen Username: Umbert Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2004 |
RL- I know and agree with you. I'm just curious who has the balls to look at a picture of a burnt child and say it's worth it. I mean people spend a lot of time on this board trying to make the republicans look bad, but who is going to do a better job of that than say....I don't know....Michael Janay for example. I mean really, it's worth it? Ok. What am I going to say that makes him look like more of a fool than what he has already said? Jet- "removed" doesn't even begin to cover it. It's more than removed. They are lied to and misguided. But yes, I agree. | ||
| sylvester the investor Citizen Username: Mummish Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2004 |
war isn't pretty. What do you expect? A bloodless, deathless, painless war? | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4745 Registered: 1-2003 |
Depends on who is experiencing the pain, blood, and death, doesn't it? If it is no one you know, you care less than if it is someone you know. | ||
| Michael Janay Citizen Username: Childprotect Post Number: 1379 Registered: 1-2003 |
I look bad huh? You know, I think it's real easy for a lot of people to sit in their comfy suburban homes, driving there SUV's, tucking their well fed children into a safe warm bed at night and oppose a war that has freed a people from brutal oppression whose victims were not seen. I wonder if more people saw images of Saddams victims; limbless or burnt children, Mass graves, beheadings, torture, gassing, if they could still oppose the war in Iraq. So, to all the Iraq war opposers, I wonder how many of you can look at these photos and come back and say, "Yes, I still oppose the war. I don't think it is all worth it." I'm just curious. BE WARNED, THESE ARE VERY GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING IMAGES OF SADDAMS VICTIMS. http://massgraves.info/ http://www.massgraves.info/halapja/ | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4746 Registered: 1-2003 |
I think we should take care of our own before we try to solve the world's problems. Well, there are times to intervene, for sure, but this intervention is not clearly better than the previous state of affairs. Remember, freeing the Iraqis, if you can call it that, is not the original reason we went to war. We went to providing it as a reason when the others didn't turn out to be true. If it had been the original reason, I doubt Congress and the people would have approved. | ||
| Maplefan Citizen Username: Maplefan Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2004 |
I have a 23-year-old relative who just received a Bronze Star for his service in Iraq. He also received two Purple Hearts as well. Without going into details, his actions were extraordinarily heroic. He risked his life to save the soldiers under his command. He was only there for five months before he returned home because of the wounds he received in battle. Today, he stands by his fellow soldiers heart and soul, but has real reservations about this war. He's not an outspoken guy, but when he does speak about his experiences in Iraq, you listen. I can't help help but imagine that all the "limousine conservatives" out there will more than likely dismiss his heroism in 30 years. I mean he was there for only five months...sound familiar. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4139 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom is 100% correct. However, the war in Iraq has indeed turned into a strategic battle against terrorists. So, as a result you can't look back especially since the President promised not to during the campaign. And let's not forget Americans as a majority are satisfied with Bush's current position in regards to Iraq anyway. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4140 Registered: 10-2001 |
Maplefan, You said your relative stands behind those in Iraq. Kerry did not stand behind those fighting in Nam after he left. Big difference. So to answer your question, no it does not sound familiar. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1571 Registered: 6-2003 |
Maplefan, I consider your relative a hero. Unfortunately some of the wing nuts on this board would consider him a traitor because of his reservations. There are usually two sides to every story but when anyone criticizes someone who put their life on the line and then comes back and talks about their reservations, they are just a bunch of cowardly, hypocritical , fools. I salute your relatives service and his opinions. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 1646 Registered: 10-2001 |
The one thing I never quite understood about that argument was this - I support the police department and the fire department but I would never suit up to join them in their efforts. Does that mean I really don't support them? Likewise if you don't go out on nightly patrols is it fair to say that you don't support the police either? | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1572 Registered: 6-2003 |
Here we go again. Don't forget Straw, Kerry sat in the "general vicinity" of Jane Fonda at a rally which, "proves" he was a traitor. I think you got too many 2nd degree highs at all those Dead shows you attended. | ||
| Tom Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 4754 Registered: 1-2003 |
A promise not to look back is not a virtue. I am dismayed at Bush's inability to think of anything he has done badly or wrong. I'd like to think of what's right, not what the majority of Americans believe. If I looked to the majority to decide what to think, I wouldn't be thinking for myself. So to think independently, I have to consider that the majority just might be wrong. I predict that moral support for the war will decrease sharply. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4141 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom, You may be right but with elections around the corner in Iraq, we really need to see how that goes first. In Afghanistan the've been a success, so let's hope we see the same thing in Iraq. If they are indeed successful, support for what we've done will only increase. | ||
| Maplefan Citizen Username: Maplefan Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2004 |
Thank you for your kind words Ukealalio. What I found most heartening about the young man in my family was his ability to look back on his time in Iraq. He has real ambivalance about the war. And remarkably, he understands that his ambivalance is OK. I couldn't really follow the fireman/cop reference. Of course you can support these men and women without being one of them. However, if you just dismissed their experise about their work out of hand, you'd be foolhardy. Afterall, climbing ladders and catching bad guys does provide you with unique insights into how to climb ladders and catch bad guys. Just like winning a Bronze Star in Iraq gives you a unique and potent voice to talk about the war. Furthermore, I'm a veteran as well. And while we can debate Kerry's comments about atrocities in Vietnam, neither you nor I have the right to question his valor. That's what I was referring to, so please don't hijack my comments with your disrespectful tone. | ||
| Montagnard Citizen Username: Montagnard Post Number: 1352 Registered: 6-2003  |
I support the Fire Department, but I don't go around setting fire to houses just so that they'll have work to do. BTW, you don't have to be a firefighter to tell people why arson is bad. The needless risk to brave men and women is only one of many reasons. |
