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     Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 483 Registered: 5-2004  |
Face, Just because a reporter as involved doesn't mean the question was not valid. You have a knee-jerk reaction to any question by someone not aligned with the right. I don't care if it was asked by Karl Marx himself. If Rumsfled couldn't say "That's just not true. Next question," then it needed to be asked. All the conservatives on this board have been saying how liberals are out to get this administration, and that does appear to be the case. But that does not mean that the administation hasn't made lots of mistakes. I commend cjc for being honest about this. I wish there was as much honesty about the policies of both sides of the aisle. As for Straw, I don't quite get why anyone takes anything he says seriously. He's obviously a charicature. cjc, MJ, even mtierney (no offense intended) are usually worth debating with. But to me, Straw and his liberal equivalent(s) are simply too deep into the kool-aid to have a rational discussion. Though I'm sure he's completely full of it as far as being a journalist, perhaps he works for Cigar Aficionado.  | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4130 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nohero, You've turned yourself into the left wing version of nails. Once again you feel the need to steal the ideas of others. (By this I mean colored posts)  Maybe Nohero really is Nails. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4131 Registered: 10-2001 |
Joe, "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months," Sounds like Rummy gave a non answer. And this is proof of what? boring | ||
| tjohn Citizen Username: Tjohn Post Number: 2795 Registered: 12-2001  |
"Still doesn't entitle you to mock soldiers who have been killed in Iraq." Amen, Nohero. That is the only reason I plunged into this thread. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 6983 Registered: 5-2001 |
The reporter had been embedded with the troops since the Regiment had been called to active duty. The lack of armor was something he probably was aware of from this experience. Suggesting or helping a Spec4 to frame the question probably isn't all that bad. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4132 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nohero and Tjohn. You guys are liars. Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Afterall, your man Kerry is the one who voted "AGAINST" funding the troops you people claim to support. Libs are full of ••••.. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 452 Registered: 5-2001  |
I suggest that everyone read today's Star Ledger. Begining on the front page is an article regarding another war. Specifically it discusses the "Battle of the Bulge." In war you cannot always wait for supplies. Sometimes you must go with what you have. Sure it is wrong not to have our forces equiped with the appropriate armor in timely fashion. But what are the alternatives? My dig is with those who are out for any opportunity to find fault and criticize our president and his administration. That seems to me to be the actual goal of those supporting this line of questioning. They aren't doing it for the troops as much as they are to pin blame upon Bush and his administration. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I think not. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 573 Registered: 7-2004 |
Not even into Bush's second term and the fracturing of the republican party continues. Sen. John McCain of Arizona called for a public hearing with the secretary of Defense testifying in order to clear up these allegations. Sen. Chuck Hegel: "That soldier and those men and women there deserved a far better answer from their secretary of defense than a flippant comment...The president's decision [to keep Rumsfeld] is his decision. He will have to live with that decision. He'll have to defend that decision." Gen. Barry MCCaffrey, in addition to calling Rummy "arrogant" said: "Sec. Rumsfeld's been in denial of evidence bbeing presented to him that it's going wrong." Face it, nutjobs, there is a real problem here, and it has nothing to do with Kerry or democrats. The incompetent leadership of this country are letting our troops down. Hope you can live with that fact... | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 484 Registered: 5-2004 |
Face, The issue to me is this. The adminsitration KNOWs that there are many improperly armored and underarmored vehicles. They also know that the manufacturers are able to armor more of them, but have for some reason chosen not to take them up on their offers to increase production. To me, this is bizarre. I truly don't uderstand a possible reason for this. I don't blame Bush, except to the extent that he is the man at the top, and he appointed Rumsfeld. But what possible reason could the Pentagon have for not taking the offers of more armor? Yes, in the past we have gone to war without everything we would like to have. Usually that has been because we have been forced into war sooner than we anticipated. That was not he case here. But even assuming it was, the war has been over for over a year and a half. | ||
| Joe Citizen Username: Gonets Post Number: 538 Registered: 2-2004 |
Straw, Right. That was a non answer and Rummy in no way intended to imply that he expected a quick war. Despite saying he doubted this would take 6 months, he's now surprised that the fall of Baghdad occured within 6 months? That's a paradox not worth contemplating, because it doesn't make any sense. It certainly speaks to his incompetence as Sec of Defense. There are other examples of administration officials giving equally rosy scenarios, I just offered this one to see your response. You call yourself a journalist, but if you are indeed in the media you're really a propagandist. A journalist holds public officials to their words, they don't make excuses for them just because they happen to like their politics. | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 1559 Registered: 6-2003 |
Joe-He's not a journalist, he's a big developer. He develops stories about himself. | ||
| Face Citizen Username: Face Post Number: 456 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rastro, you certainly imply by saying "The adminsitration KNOWs" that it is a problem only for republicans. Yes bush is the man on the top and Rumsfield is his man, but why always seek to pin blame instead of finding a solution. As is typical with situations such as this, either you are part of the problem or part of the solution. Which are you? Or can we all guess from your posts. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4133 Registered: 10-2001 |
Joe, As a journalist I do 2 things. I never trust what an official says, and I never discount anything an official says. That's just the way it is. I also never report my opinion and I never jump to conclusions. I save my opinion instead for the MOL nutty liberal crowd. Why? I have no idea. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 488 Registered: 5-2004 |
Face, Given that I have no control over the Pentagon, and and not part of the administration, I don't quite see whow I can be part of the solution. I am not part of the problem, in that I am not the one saying no thanks to more armor. And I am in no way saying this is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. If you read more of my posts, you'd know that. This is a "current adminstration" issue. I am not pining blame. In fact, I specifically didn't place blame in Bush. And I truly don't see what rationale there could be for not taking up the offers for more armor plating. Perhaps you could explain it, and tell me how you are part of the solution to this specific issue. Don't give me some load of BS about supporting the President and the troops. That doesn't answer the question. Finally, I thought no one's opinion mattered anymore if they didn't vote for Bush. That seems to be the prevailing opinion here (some rational conservatives aside). So how could my non-opinion and non-voice have any sway? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 489 Registered: 5-2004 |
Straw, is it a conflict of interest if your journalism work collides with your manufacturing work? I mean, you do still own those plants in Linden and Union, right? What if ou had to write about a problem at one of your plants? | ||
| Joe Citizen Username: Gonets Post Number: 539 Registered: 2-2004 |
Thanks Straw, Now I know why so many people are so misinformed. Journalists like you basically take dictation during interviews. | ||
| Straw's world Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4134 Registered: 10-2001 |
plants? I own commercial property. | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 1800 Registered: 5-2001  |
So, the question was planned beforehand by a couple of soldiers and a journalist. So? This is about as relevant as the fact that the president has speechwriters. Rumsfeld's response to a person risking his life was incredibly callous and unhelpful. And he suggests that the armor won't be effective, anyway, if the soldier's vehicle hits an IED. Nice touch, Rummy, it's easy to see why you were asked to hang around. Our troops need and deserve better gear. Who is responsible for this if not the Secretary of Defense? | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 580 Registered: 7-2004 |
McCain: 'No Confidence' in Rumsfeld By BETH DeFALCO, Associated Press Writer PHOENIX - U.S. Sen. John McCain said Monday that he has "no confidence" in Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, citing Rumsfeld's handling of the war in Iraq and the failure to send more troops. McCain, speaking to The Associated Press in an hourlong interview, said his comments were not a call for Rumsfeld's resignation, explaining that President Bush "can have the team that he wants around him." "I have strenuously argued for larger troop numbers in Iraq, including the right kind of troops — linguists, special forces, civil affairs, etc.," said McCain, R-Ariz. "There are very strong differences of opinion between myself and Secretary Rumsfeld on that issue." When asked if Rumsfeld was a liability to the Bush administration, McCain responded: "The president can decide that, not me." | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 7000 Registered: 5-2001 |
Anyone else catch Hardball last night? Old Stormin' Norman gave it to Rumsfeld, Pearl, Fife and Wolfowitz right between the eyes. |
