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StringsTeacher99
Citizen
Username: Blue_eyes
Post Number: 255
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 2:04 pm: | 
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See... now that actually DOES make sense... thank you marie!  |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 3556
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 2:08 pm: |
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Why not an alternative setting for the whole family? Maplewood doesn't seem to suit yuo very well..... |
Soda
Citizen
Username: Soda
Post Number: 2176
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 2:42 pm: |
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Greenetree: Quite. Marie just doesn't get it. Never did.
-s.
BTW: If they stay, I hope she runs for TC again, "just to make a point". She'll be trounced by anyone who can fog a mirror. And she STILL won't get it... |
Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 181
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 4:46 pm: |
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My, my.
All those who bray the loudest about 'inclusiveness' and 'tolerance' seem to have none for those who disagree with them. |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 329
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 4:55 pm: |
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I'm with Soda and Greentree. This isn't the right place for people who want lower taxes and then take actions to raise everyone's taxes. |
eliz
Supporter
Username: Eliz
Post Number: 924
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 7:54 pm: |
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quote:The conversation I had with the teacher was impromptu and we discussed many different issues - the loaded weapon was only part of the conversation and definately was not a "set-up" by a disgruntled teacher as Mr Healey suggested. It was a plea for help and this teacher was venting anger and frustration at the adminstration for not being "on the side of the teachers" where safety issues are concerned.
Ever since I moved to Maplewood I've noticed this "subset" of people who aren't happy - sometimes I feel like they moved here by accident. When we got into the school system it was even more evident. These people always find each other, you can see them after school on the front lawn of every school, going over every single negative thing they can find about the school, students, community etc. The glee with which they recount each and every 'misdeed' is stomach turning.
Marie is the captain of that ship. If you want to jump on - please do and sail away, far away. I guarantee the grass won't be greener. |
bklyntonj
Citizen
Username: Bklyntonj
Post Number: 305
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 2:37 pm: |
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Eliz, I have to agree with you. I too, was one parent who complained. I then realized that most of the parents complaining, were also the parents you never see at PTA, Parent's night or teacher's meetings.
Then I realized the complainers were many times parents of the children causing the most raucous in school...
I've been had, flim-flammed, led astray, bamboozled...
Maplewood/South Orange schools, a good place to visit a great place to learn! |
fringe
Citizen
Username: Fringe
Post Number: 740
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 7:43 am: |
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At the 24 Jan. BOE meeting the board took the extraordinary step of expelling a CHS student. The primary reason involved the possession of a weapon at the school. I believe there were other aggrevating factors that contributed to the decision, but has there been at least one weapons incident this year - YES. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3284
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 9:30 am: |
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good riddance. |
Rebecca Raines
Citizen
Username: Robin_realist
Post Number: 245
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 7:00 pm: |
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Does this mean that we will now have the expelled student at the library every day waiting for their private tutor? Just wondering? R |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 463
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 11:00 pm: |
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Rebecca,
If the resolution was passed without amendment, the "...student shall be provided with home instruction pending his/her enrollment in a suitable alternative educational program at district expense."
TomR |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1261
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 1:33 am: |
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Here's an interesting update:
Earlier this week, the student who had been arrested for bringing a loaded BB to gun to school made his way back into CHS and luckily was noticed by Mr Healey the Vice-Principal who called the police and had him escorted off of school grounds and arrested for trespassing.
The student's parent yanked the kid from our district before he went up before the BOE to be expelled. His parent enrolled him in Orange High School, but apparently he felt compelled to return to CHS for a visit.
Now, you may ask how this young man made his way
into the school, past security guards and security cameras. It seems it's pretty darn easy to get into the school as the 20 something doors that lead into the school from the street don't lock properly and there aren't enough security guards (7) to guard them. Which brings me to the next issue: The Security Personnel. Granted they are the lowest paid district employees, but they have a reputation for being too chummy with some of the students and generally don't exude enough of a Security Guard aura. Amongst the students, their presence is considered to be a "joke." Then, we have the issue of the security cameras which apparently were all installed, but aren't effectively utilized because the security console( an eyesore for some parents) wasn't installed in a location where it can easily be accessed by the Security Personnel.
Is it time to get serious about security at CHS?
I believe it is. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3367
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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If he's enrolled at Orange High School, does he live in Orange or Maplewood? You think his parent pays tuition to Orange? |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 12:20 pm: |
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IF he lived in Orange all the while and attended Columbia I HOPE we are billing his parents for tuition. If not, what are the rules when you are expelled, do you just attend a HS is a neighboring town? |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 302
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 1:48 pm: |
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That's what I want to know. Where is this kid's LEGAL residence? |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1263
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 2:54 pm: |
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I don't know where his legal residence is, but was told that his parent used a relative's address to enroll him in Orange High. |
Albatross
Citizen
Username: Albatross
Post Number: 510
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 12:52 pm: |
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How do you know all this? Where does this information come from?
How would anybody know what this child's status was after leaving the district; how did you find out?
When and where was the ex-student spotted? Was he spotted immediately upon entering? For all we know, he was. And if not: it indicates that the patrols by the security and administration were successful in their policing.
So far, all we've got is hearsay.
As for the security guards, it's true that they are chummy with the students. I see this as a good thing; there is a trust between the security staff and students at Columbia. While your child(ren) who attend(s) Columbia thinks that the security staff is a joke, they are actually quite serious about their jobs, and make the effort to do their jobs. They are understaffed, and it is reflected in the accessibility of the high school, but don't say that they don't do their jobs. Keep in mind also that the principals and deans do rounds of the building as well.
The 'unlocked' doors that are referred to are actually locked doors that have been propped open. When these doors are found, the security staff recloses them immediately. That's not a problem with the security staff, that's a problem with student behavior. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5584
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 2:04 pm: |
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On the occasions I've been inside CHS, the security guards seem serious and very alert. They even police small behaviors, such as ensuring the kids are wearing their IDs and not wearing hats inside. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 704
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 8:08 pm: |
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I think any student who's found guilty of menacing behaviour should be compelled to have a surgically implanted global positioning device. This would be a relatively non-invasive procedure--akin to a piercing. School officials should then have the necessary software for monitoring the whereabouts of these individuals. It's the only plausible means of preventing the scenario that Marie has described. |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1264
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:05 pm: |
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Joe,
A friend, a teacher in East Orange, was recently
menaced by a student in one of her classes. He stood two inches from her face and yelled "I'm going to punch you in the head B." The following day after school, she went out to the parking lot to find her Lexus keyed and nails driven into her two back tires. This student, a known gang member, was suspended from school for two days. Despite his suspension, he attended school for those two days.
She now has a suit against the district for failure to provide a safe working environment for it's teachers. It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this case will be... |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 706
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 9:39 pm: |
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Marie,
I don't doubt that there are students who are menacing. I graduated HS 20 years ago and that school was in a pretty homogenous upper middle class school district. Yet there were still some very serious episodes during my years there. So, it's not surprising to hear that the same sort of stuff goes on today.
But with regard to the episode that you described, where the suspended student returned to CHS, I didn't see any suggestions on your part. Perhaps, they're way back in the the thread. You cite this as an example of lax security, but I don't know how you can prevent a kid like that from getting back into the school. It seems that there are many possible points of entry to the school during the day. What, specifically, do you think needs to be done, and are you going to advocate raising taxes if your recommendations require additional funding? |
Albatross
Citizen
Username: Albatross
Post Number: 514
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 10:55 pm: |
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Marie, you didn't answer my questions as to where your information came from. It was stated as fact, so far it is still hearsay. |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1265
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 11:39 pm: |
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Joe,
I think the Security Console should be installed at the front desk and a security guard be stationed at it, during school hours.
The doors should be fixed and security cameras should be aimed at those doors.
I think more and better trained Security Guards should be hired.
I'm not a Security Specialist, but am pretty sure that those kinds of improvements would increase security without significantly increasing costs.
My friend, the teacher from EO says that many of these "kids" have absolutley NO RESPECT for any authority figures, including the police. She has taught in East Orange for 12 years and says it has gotten increasingly more dangerous over the past 5-6 years and she's a TOUGH cookie - both her father and husband are in Law Enforcement. Sadly, she doesn't see much hope for the future of the community and it's schools because of gang activity and violence.
Albatross,
This information came directly from Mr Healey, the vice-principal. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1121
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 10:01 am: |
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Thanks Marie. I know you are ridiculed as being an alarmist and a chicken little on this board, not the mention the audacity of running for the township council. With all politics, when you have to tell the people the emperor has no clothing do it with a smile! This works wonders in corporations as you are showing declining revenue graphs. So after your posts, just insert a smiley face and maybe these people will take you seriously. I dread the day when you will be able to say "I told you so". |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 708
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:22 pm: |
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marie,
Those seem like reasonable recommendations. Of course not being a security expert I can only say "seems". Thanks for the response. |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1266
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:47 pm: |
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Lumpy,
I hope I never see that day. Instead, I hope parents/taxpayers in this district who are tired of being told to send their kids to private school, or move, will take back their schools and demand excellence and achievement at every turn.
Just imagine how great it would be to see CHS ranked in the top ten schools in the state. I believe it's possible, but only if people in this community who can make a difference, decide to step up to plate and begin playing a little hardball!
So, who else besides Tom R can swing a hammer, use a wrench or paintbrush? Come on folks, a few hours of your time will make a HUGE difference in more ways than you'll ever know...
I know there are some Master Plumbers, painters, grouters, all around handymen/women, artists out there!
I know George B is out there too!
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 13229
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:56 pm: |
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WHEN? |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1267
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 12:28 am: |
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WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
We still have to hear back from the new Building Maintenence person about what projects we can and can't lay our hands on because of union rules and regs.
I would like to start work within the next several weeks, after I've done a visual inspection ( gross ) made a repair list, gathered supplies, organized a work schedule for the volunteers etc.
Will that give you enough time to get back into heavy lifting shape? |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 2650
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 4:51 pm: |
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Marie, if you are now suing Dave & Jamie, you have a lot of nerve posting on MOL. Can you tell us this is NOT the case?
If not, watch the tall grass...
-s.
BTW: Even if it's NOT true, you should forget about running for BOE. Anytime. |
Michael
Citizen
Username: Michael
Post Number: 797
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:40 pm: |
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Soda . What is your problem dude ?
Your... ah... like... outta control man !!!
Get with it. Marie isn't suing anyone. (Duh) |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1140
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 9:55 pm: |
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I guess it's safe to say that Soda no like Marie. |
marie
Citizen
Username: Marie
Post Number: 1268
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:02 pm: |
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I think it's safe to say, Soda has gone off the deep end...
I'm not suing ANYONE, but if Soda keeps threatening me, I might sue him...
--------------------------------------------
....I'm not running for the BOE Marie
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susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 387
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 9:39 am: |
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Glad to hear you aren't running Marie, given that your family is suing the school district with the help of the radical right (even if you hold yourself above the fray).
For you personally, kudos on the attempts to help with maintenance at Columbia. |
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