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Mustt_mustt
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Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 176
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 8:37 pm: | 
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www.mediamatters.org
Here are the Top Ten most outrageous statements we have heard this year from members of the media. From anti-Semitic comments and attacks on women, gays, and lesbians to reprehensible acceptance of the Abu Ghraib prisoner torture, these statements are acutely representative of the conservative hate speech we found in the news media:
Rush Limbaugh on the Abu Ghraib photos: "I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?"
Ann Coulter: "[Senator John] Kerry will improve the economy in the emergency services and body bag industry."
Tony Blankley called philanthropist George Soros "a Jew who figured out a way to survive the Holocaust."
Michael Savage: "When you hear 'human rights,' think gays. ... [T]hink only one thing: someone who wants to rape your son."
Oliver North: "Every terrorist out there is hoping John Kerry is the next president of the United States."
Pat Robertson on gays and lesbians: "[S]elf-absorbed hedonists ... that want to impose their particular sexuality on the rest of America."
Pat Buchanan: "[H]omosexuality is an affliction, like alcoholism."
Bill O'Reilly to Jewish caller: "[I]f you are really offended, you gotta go to Israel."
Bill Cunningham (Clear Channel radio host who appeared as a guest on The Sean Hannity Show): The election is over because "Elizabeth Edwards has now sung."
Jerry Falwell: "And we're going to invite PETA [to "wild game night"] as our special guest, P-E-T-A -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. We want you to come, we're going to give you a top seat there, so you can sit there and suffer. This is one of my special groups, another one's the ACLU, another is the NOW -- the National Order of Witches [sic]. We've got -- I've got a lot of special groups."
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Face
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Username: Face
Post Number: 465
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:08 am: |
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Wow, and not even one statement from anyone else, only conservatives. What a shock! What a surprise! I'm amazed!
Not! |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 923
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:44 am: |
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I'm amazed one of the right-wing nuts wasn't the first to troll with one of these type of posts.
Maybe the MRC has their own Top 10 list someone can post.
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 536
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:16 am: |
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Face, perhaps you could put together a list countering this one, with only Liberals' statements.
Oh, and do you disagree that most of these are outrageous? |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 1835
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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Seriously, conservatives, do your best. What statements from liberals in the media can you come up that are worse than the above? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 925
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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that weren't uttered by comedians or actors. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4901
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 12:23 pm: |
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But Doctor, those people are in show business. |
jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 478
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:02 pm: |
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Betting someone that Rush, Falwell, Robertson and Coulter would make that list is kinda like betting the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
And the sad thing is that those statements are far from the most outrageous things some of those people have said. But the list did limit itself to this year, so... |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1583
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:33 pm: |
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One night two weeks ago, I took a break from Air America when driving home and switched to conservative talk radio. I forgot who the talk jock was (it was around 7 P.M.) but he said something to the effect of, "All hippies who lived in communes, sexually molested their children". No this was not a joke, he was dead serious. This should definitely make the above list. Still waiting for the conservatives reply. Even jocks like Randi Rhodes (who I like but can see why some may find her abrassive), I don't believe have uttered anything this plain hateful and stupid. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4910
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 2:45 pm: |
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The trick is to learn to shrug them off, not taking them seriously. |
Mustt_mustt
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Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 177
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 8:00 pm: |
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Actually, Tom, one should take these nutcases seriously, given the reach they have to audiences across the nation, especially guys like o'Reilly who "pontificate" in the name of being "fair and balanced." |
dacar
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Username: Dacar
Post Number: 144
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:49 pm: |
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"John Kerry reporting for duty"
" then we gonna go to Oregon, and Idaho...yeah |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 539
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:55 pm: |
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huh? Hokey? Sure. Outrageous? Not even close. |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1586
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:14 am: |
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I think we better shut down this thread.If dacars post is the best the other side can do, it's pretty obvoius who owns the most outrageous statements. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 926
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:21 am: |
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the fact that people make these sort of statements is kind of a "who cares" to me.
it's the fact that these people actually have an audience that listens to them, and their musings pass as "conventional wisdom" - now, that's outrageous. |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 438
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:27 am: |
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The republican posters on MOL identify more with the leaders of our party than we do with talk show hosts and authors. Coulter , Limbaugh etc get paid to make outrageous statements.
The problem with the left is that their extreme rhetoric comes from party leaders as well as celebrities that they embrace.
Michael Moore screened FH11 for several Dem leaders and was also seated next to Jimmy Carter at the convention. |
Mark Fuhrman
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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That's more than outrageous, that's hegemony (for all the closet Gramsci fans out there).
Amazing how the dominant paradigm shifts--20-30 years ago the liberal view was unquestioned by the majority, or at least seen as legitimate. The cons were on the outside trying to figure out how to get their viewpoints even aired. Now the whole nature of what is legitimate to discuss has shifted far to the right, so that even as mamby-pamby a guy as Kerry is seen by many as a leftist (take his stances now, stick him in the Democratic Party of the 1970's, and he would be accused of being a conservative Republican).
Call it failed liberal policies. Call it liberal complacency when ascendant. Call it good timing on the part of cons who were simply doing and saying what they did when the culture swung their way. The cons have won the more recent skirmishes in the culture wars. Perhaps it was all those years of Reagan and then Clinton economic success making liberal causes seem less pressing. Even blame it on the need for youth to rebel against the unexamined beliefs of the previous generations (which means the next few generations might swing back to more liberal positions). Lotsa reasons why, and certainly interesting to watch. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 3704
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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Guy.. that may be true, but as asked before, can anyone on the right counter with such hatred-infused "liberal" rhetoric?
I would be interested to see someone do it. If only to understand that there are extremists on both sides. Come on Dennis K.(forget how to spell his last name) has to be on the list somewhere along the line.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4238
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:37 am: |
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Okay, my favorite statement from a party leader (a.k.a. President Bush) from this past year.
quote:Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040906-4.html
I just love that one. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4927
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:25 am: |
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Actually, Duncan, we do have a few spewing liberals on our side. Have you read Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them by Al Franken? He curses some people. And Garrison Keillor, of all people, does the same in his latest book, Homegrown Democrat. The fact that such a gentle man would do so indicates, to me, the divisive environment we are in. I will violate copyright law soon and post some long quotes from him.
Guy, what extreme rhetoric from the left are you speaking of? Stuff like the notion of a common good? Radical, that! |
mtierney
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Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 711
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:58 am: |
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Campaigning Kerry: "I have a plan and within that plan, I have a plan... "
I kid you not!
Also by Kerry, "I believe that life begins at conception" while supporting abortion rights!
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4929
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:09 pm: |
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mtierney, perhaps Kerry's comments sound lame, but they are not hateful. |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 439
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:14 pm: |
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Here is a list of some lefty quotes from both celebs and politicians over the last couple of years. Most come across as being silly and naive. The hate seems reserved for GWB at this point.
"Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas,"
Natalie Maines- The Dixie Chicks
"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a "deserter." What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate."
Michael Moore
"Regime change! George Bush has to go and we have the power to do it. The officials of the government shall be removed from office for crimes and misdemeanor; their crime against peace, and for use of torture in Iraq."
Ramsey Clark- former Democratic Attorney General (March 31, 2003)
"One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown."
Marcy Kaptur- Democratic Representative Ohio
"He's (Osama bin Laden) been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and these people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
Patty Murray- Democratic Senator Washington (speech to a high school honors class)
"The American people may have been lured into accepting the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, in violation of long-standing international law, under false premises,"
Robert Byrd- Democratic Senator West Virginia (USA Today- 5/21/03)
"Our paradigm now seems to be: something terrible happened to us on September 11, and that gives us the right to interpret all future events in a way that everyone else in the world must agree with us. And if they don't, they can go straight to hell."
Bill Clinton
"Not only did the tax cut fail to prevent a recession, as its supporters said it would, it probably made the recession worse,"
Tom Daschle- Democratic Senator South Dakota (January 4, 2002)
"Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future."
Jimmy Carter
"Did I expect George Bush to f--- it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did."
John Kerry- Democratic Senator Massachusetts
"Being a liberal is one of the best things you can be."
Janeane Garofalo
"The problem is we elected a manager, and we need a leader. Let's face it: Bush is just dim."
George Clooney
"George W Bush is like a bad comic working the crowd, a moron, if you'll pardon the expression."
Martin Sheen
"Bush wasn't elected, he was selected— selected by five judges up in Washington who voted along party lines."
Alec Baldwin
"Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot."
Al Franken- (The title from his book)
"I mean, I think, Iraqis, I think, feel that if we drove smaller cars, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill them for their oil.”
Bill Mahr - Larry King Live (November 1, 2002)
"We all need to take a deep breath and think about being a Bush daughter and having that cross to bear. I'd go out and have a couple of drinks too,"
Julia Roberts
"If you asked would I live in London the rest of my life, yeah, I'd be very happy to stay here. There's nothing in America that I would miss at all."
Robert Altman - The Times (London) January 21, 2002
“I despise him [President George W. Bush]. I despise his administration and everything they stand for."
Jessica Lange - at a film festival in Spain (September 25, 2002)
"It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It’s humiliating.”
Jessica Lange - at a film festival in Spain (September 25, 2002)
"Globalization, as defined by rich people like us, is a very nice thing... you are talking about the Internet, you are talking about cell phones, you are talking about computers. This doesn't affect two-thirds of the people of the world."
Jimmy Carter
"We don’t know whether in the long run the Iraqi people are better off, and the most important thing is we don’t know whether we’re better off." - On the question of whether qetting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing.
Howard Dean - Former Democratic Govenor of Vermont and Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2004 (Meet The Press 6/22/03).
I know on September 11, we were all evacuated from the building, and we found ourselves standing outside—most of us. I was whisked away with no place to go. We ended up on the top floor of the police headquarters. We pulled the shades down, thinking that might make us more secure.
Tom Daschle - Democratic Senator South Dakota
"Well I don't know what the city of Hollywood knows about foreign policy, but do I know that a lot of people do learn and educate themselves about policy and I don't have to be a policy expert to know that this will be a disaster."
Janeane Garofalo
"There is ample evidence that the horrific events of Sept. 11 have been carefully manipulated to switch public focus from Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, who masterminded the Sept. 11th attacks, to Saddam Hussein, who did not,"
Robert Byrd- Democratic Senator West Virginia (USA Today- 5/21/03)
"Saddam Hussein is a threat, but the threat is not so great that we must be stampeded to provide such authority to this president just weeks before an election."
Robert Byrd- Democratic Senator West Virginia (New York Times op-ed, 10/10/02)
"While endangering one of the most pristine areas in the world, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would do nothing to make our country more energy independent,"
Tom Daschle- Democratic Senator South Dakota(March 19, 2003)
"by just getting the SUVs to have the same fuel economy as autos."
Barbara Boxer Democratic Rep. CA. ( On how the U.S. could save more oil than the Anwar would produce)
"Well, there's no credible link between Iraq and al Qaeda. There's no credible link between Iraq and 9/11."
Janeane Garofalo
"death warrant for social programs for decades and decades to come."
Julian Bond - NAACP Chairman (President Bush's tax cuts)
"In two short years, George W. Bush has taught us what the 'W' stands for -- wrong. Wrong for our children, wrong for our parents, wrong for our values. Wrong, wrong, wrong for America."
John Edwards- Democratic Senator North Carolina (February 23, 2003 )
"It's your money, says President Bush when he promotes tax cuts. I disagree with his tax policy but admire his spin."
Bill Clinton - Out of Control (June 28, 2003)
"Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side."
Julian Bond - NAACP Chairman (On the Republican Party)
"We must uphold the promise of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton and never allow the President and his Republican friends to threaten Social Security by putting it on the Wall Street trading block."
John Kerry- Democratic Senator Massachusetts (Speech To Massachusetts Democrat State Convention," May 31, 2002)
"Unfortunately, last spring, Republicans chose exactly the wrong solution. They made a huge tax cut their No. 1 priority -- ahead of everything else -- and discarded the framework of fiscal responsibility,"
Tom Daschle- Democratic Senator South Dakota (January 4, 2002)
"We give an infinitesimal amount of our money to people around the world. I think what people around the world would say is it would take so little for this rich country to help and alleviate so much misery and even that is too much for them. We’re oblivious to suffering.”
Bill Mahr - Larry King Live (November 1, 2002)
“Bush says you’re either with us or against us. I don’t know who ‘us’ is. I say to Mr. Bush—this is what democracy looks like. We will not give our daughters and sons for a war for oil.”
Susan Sarandon
"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist."
Woody Harrelson
"If we continue following George Bush’s military policy and defense policy, will become a secondary military power."
Howard Dean - Former Democratic Govenor of Vermont and Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2004 (Meet The Press 6/22/03).
"I can’t tell you the answer to that either." On the question of how many troops do we have on active duty.
Howard Dean - Former Democratic Govenor of Vermont and Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2004 (Meet The Press 6/22/03).
"The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy."
Ramsey Clark- former Democratic Attorney General
"I'm saddened, saddened that this president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we're now forced to war, saddened that we have to give up one life because this president couldn't create the kind of diplomatic effort that was so critical for our country."
Tom Daschle- Democratic Senator South Dakota
"Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did."
Walter Mondale- July 19, 1988
"But the problem for Social Security is that it is actually in fine shape until, I don’t know, 2040 or something like that."
Howard Dean - Former Democratic Govenor of Vermont and Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2004 (Meet The Press 6/22/03).
"We need to change our ethic and aspire to be more Canadian-like,"
Michael Moore
"They could call Jesus a terrorist too. I mean, he was pretty tough on money lenders a time or two."
Ramsey Clark- former Democratic Attorney General (during a media event for an anti-war group)
"I think we are isolating ourselves, and in so isolating ourselves, I think we're minimizing ourselves, I don't think we are taken as seriously today as we were a few years ago."
Tom Daschle- Democratic Senator South Dakota (July 19, 2001)
"I'm the number 1 target of the White House. They can't get Osama bin Laden; they're going to get me."
Jean Carnahan- Democratic Senator Missouri (CNN's Crossfire, 10/15/02)
"The difference between Martin Sheen and George W. Bush is Martin Sheen is actually convincing when he acts like he's president."
Paul Begala- Democratic strategist (CNN's "Crossfire," June 4, 2002)
"Any child born into the hugely consumptionist way of life so common in the industrial world will have an impact that is, on average, many times more destructive than that of a child born in the developing world."
Al Gore
"Here’s what I say to people. You have a choice. Do you want to have the president’s tax cut or would you like a health-care program that nobody can ever take away?"
Howard Dean - Former Democratic Govenor of Vermont and Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2004 (Meet The Press 6/22/03).
"This country of ours has committed the most serious act of aggression in its history by engaging in a war of aggression without a declaration of war by Congress,"
Ramsey Clark- Former Democratic Attorney General
"I do not begrudge his salute to America's warriors aboard the carrier Lincoln, for they have performed bravely ... but I do question the motives of a desk-bound president who assumes the garb of a warrior for the purposes of a speech,''
Robert Byrd- Democratic Senator
"I think the president would mislead the American people."
Jim McDermott- Democratic Congressman Washington (statement to the press while in Iraq)
"National Missile Defense is of a nature to retrigger a proliferation of weapons, notably nuclear missiles. Everything that goes in the direction of proliferation is a bad direction."
Jacques Chirac
“He [Treasury Secretary-designate John Snow] is said to be in favor of further tax cuts but against deficits. Doesn’t one lead to the other?”
Peter Jennings - World News Tonight - December 9, 2002
"The president succeeded during the election campaign in convincing a majority that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida are practically the same thing ... but he convinced the majority of something that is not true and is not backed up by any evidence that I am aware of."
Al Gore
"Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."
James Carville (on Paula Jones sexual harassment allegation against Bill Clinton)
"A nation that continues, year after year, to spend more money on defense than social programs is nearing spiritual death,"
Danny Glover
"Bin Laden didn't come from the abstract. He came from somewhere, and if you look where ... you'll see America's hand of villainy."
Harry Belafonte
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 544
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:23 pm: |
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But again, this list is ridiculous. There is little of the vitriol or bigotry that the conservative quotes contain. And half the quotes are completely innocuous.
quote:"I did not support Operation Desert Fox."
Janeane Garofalo
Are you kidding? Did you even read or cull this list before you copied and pasted? C'mon, you can do better than that. There's lots of Liberals that criticized various Christian groups. I'm sure you can find some juicy quotes if you put a little efort behind it. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4239
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:26 pm: |
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And some of the quotes about the lack of a connection between Saddam and 9-11, match the conclusions of the 9-11 Commission. |
Chris Prenovost
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Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 188
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:30 pm: |
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Some of those are hysterical.
Proof positive that stupidity and foolishness know no political bounds. Especially from the celebrities. |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 440
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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Sorry Rastro time constraints hinder my vetting process. Still some good quotes. More to follow when time allows. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 927
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:55 pm: |
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The difference remains however - no one looks to Jessia Lange or Woody Harrelson for political insights. And aside from the quotes from celebrities, there are very few "outrageous" statements in that list. (Even more ridiculous is that the list includes quotes such as a 20-year old statement from Walter Mondale saying Reagan was going to have to raise taxes - which he in fact did).
O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, et al on the other hand, have undeniable influence among thousands (if not millions) of people. |
OddLot
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Username: Amh
Post Number: 41
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:28 pm: |
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These are certainly less divisive than the personal attacks that started this thread, but clearly there are wackos on both sides of the media fence:
“The lie that brought us into war was that Iraq was a threat to us....It was an attempt at a corporate takeover. This was about oil. It wasn’t about human rights. It’s not about human rights....It is the Bush/Cheney cartel’s fault....Team Bush is more radically corrupt than Richard Nixon ever tried to be....It is, in fact, a conspiracy of the 43rd Reich.”
Janeane Garofalo
“While the end to the Saddam regime means a return to long-denied freedoms for all Iraqis, it may also mean at least a temporary rollback of some hard-won freedoms for millions of Iraqi women....While Saddam’s regime brutalized women -- rape, torture, even beheadings -- his secular government also gave women more rights than their counterparts in many other Islamic countries.”
NBC's Mike Taibbi
“Within the United States, there is growing challenge to President Bush about the conduct of the war and also opposition to the war. So our reports about civilian casualties here....help those who oppose the war."
NBC correspondent Peter Arnett
“A friend of mine here at CNN has a theory about the Bush administration. They’re convinced that everything Bill Clinton ever did was wicked, bad and awful, and so they want to do the opposite....Clinton wanted to save all that wilderness area in Alaska; and Mr. Bush wants to drill for oil there. Clinton fussed about clean air; this President wants to ease new restrictions on coal-burning power plants.... Clinton, my friend noted, had surpluses. Obviously, the Bush administration thinks those are evil, because what they want is deficits -- big ones, maybe the biggest ever.”
CNN’s Bruce Morton
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Heybub
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Username: Heybub
Post Number: 382
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:44 pm: |
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I find the list of quotes by Media Matters quite weak. Aside from what might be perceived by some as gay bashing in one or two quotes there is nothing outrageous about any of those quotes.
Guy is right , most liberal quotes come off as silly with just alittle more hate when they attack Bush. |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1589
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:46 pm: |
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Sorry but no cigar (and yes the pun is intended, as that seems to be the only thing the right considers shocking and substantive). |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4944
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:46 pm: |
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So heybub, you're agreeing that the gay bashing is outrageous? |
Heybub
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Username: Heybub
Post Number: 383
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 3:39 pm: |
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Gay Bashing should not be tolerated. Except for Savage the comments are not hateful or gay bashing. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4946
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 3:41 pm: |
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Well, Robertson and Buchanan's comments are untrue enough to engender or reflect hate.
Your point sounds like, "if you take away the tall mountains from the Rockies, you don't end up with any high ground, so why call it high?" |
jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 490
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:09 pm: |
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And I'd call Blankley's and O'Reilly's comments anti-Semitic. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 928
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:12 pm: |
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Coulter's "body bag" statement and Limbaugh's ruminations on Abu Ghraib don't rise to the level of "outrageous?" Come on!
Guess it depends on what your definition of "outrageous" is.
Here's one:
quote:out·ra·geous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (out-rjs)
adj.
1.
a. Grossly offensive to decency or morality.
b. Being well beyond the bounds of good taste: outrageous epithets.
2. Having no regard for morality.
3. Violent or unrestrained in temperament or behavior.
4.
a. Extremely unusual or unconventional; extraordinary: loved to dress in outrageous clothing; found some outrageous bargains.
b. Being beyond all reason; extravagant or immoderate: spends an outrageous amount on entertainment.
Actually, I'd consider almost all of the quotes to be "beyond the bounds of good taste." But apparently by wing nut standards, they're all well within the bounds of good taste. But I guess anyone who thinks Ann Coulter is intelligent, (not to mentinon "hot") has pretty different standards of taste than I do.
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