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sportsnut
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 1:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/31/us.aid/index.html

Tulip - Happy now?
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Soda
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 2:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls.
It tolls for thee.

-John Donne
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tulip
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 2:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's the matter, sports, too much humanitarianism for you? Yeah, it's better, but I will only be happy when Bush considers the Kyoto Accords, and the coral reefs are respected as are the few remaining pristine places on this planet. How can anyone be happy with the slaughter that has just occurred?
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Addy
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 3:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the disgrace:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10688&news_iv_ctrl=1021
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sportsnut
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 3:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No tulip I agree with it. What's your excuse for being so bitter. Thank God you left our district and my child will never come in contact with someone as jaded and bitter as you.

Truly pathetic.
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December 31, 2004
U.S. Pledges $350 Million to Help Tsunami Victims
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:01 p.m. ET

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- The United States is pledging $350 million to help tsunami victims, a tenfold increase over its first wave of aid, President Bush announced Friday.

``Initial findings of American assessment teams on the ground indicate that the need for financial and other assistance will steadily increase in the days and weeks ahead,'' Bush said Friday in a statement released in Crawford, Texas, where he is staying at his ranch.

``Our contributions will continue to be revised as the full effects of this terrible tragedy become clearer,'' he said. ``Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by this epic disaster.''

Bush also is sending Secretary of State Colin Powell to Indian Ocean coastal areas ravaged by earthquake and tsunami to assess what more the United States needs to do. The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, will travel with him.

The newly announced aid came after some critics claimed that the initial U.S. contribution of $35 million was meager considering the vast wealth of the nation.

France has promised $57 million, Britain has pledged $95 million, Sweden is sending $75.5 million and Spain is offering $68 million, although that pledge is partly in loans.

Bush said disaster response officials are on the ground and the United States has established a support center in Thailand that is in operation. More than 20 patrol and cargo aircraft have been made available to assess the disaster and deliver relief supplies, he said.

``Many of those aircraft are on the scene,'' Bush said.

The president said the United States has dispatched the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, a maritime squadron from Guam and an amphibious ship carrying a Marine expeditionary unit. ``They will soon be in position to support relief efforts to include the generation of clean water,'' he said.

On Friday, the president spoke by phone with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin about the relief and recovery efforts and was briefed by Powell and National Security Council officials on the efforts under way.

White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy, who read the president's statement to reporters on the phone, did not disclose details of where the additional U.S. aid was being found in government coffers. He said, however, that the administration was talking with congressional officials about replenishing funds being used to back the tsunami aid pledge.



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tulip
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 3:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, sports, thank goodness I don't have to deal with self-centered people who go: Happy now? That was cranky! How the heck could I be happy when all this has happened? What's YOUR problem? Too good for the rest of the world?

Adios, amigo.
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tulip
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 3:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Addy, funny that the reactionaries around town are not bent out of shape about the money going to the other side of the world...or maybe that's the problem!!!
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tulip
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 4:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and the Happiest New Year to all. May 2005 rain down joy, goodness, pleasantries and happiness to one and all, not just of Maplewood and South Orange, but to the whole world, those of us lucky to be alive, those of us lucky enough to cast another glance at the vibrant sea, those of us lucky to care about each other, and not place all our love in material possessions, those of us lucky and decent enough to know how to set limits for our children, to be giving when and how we choose to give, and to love not just our country, but its people.
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Posted on Saturday, January 1, 2005 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One way or another you have to give Mr. Eglund credit for his comments, no matter who they were directed at. All the major economic powers seem to be stepping up to the plate. Japan just raised our $350,000,000 with a $500,000,000 pledge.

In fairness to Mr. Eglund, he is a Norwegian, one of the companies that pledges a very high percentage of their GDP to humanitarian efforts.
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tulip
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Posted on Saturday, January 1, 2005 - 5:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One thought, I wish they would distribute food in larger quantities at a time. If they have big warships over there, why not load up enough food so they can match the need at each site without having people fight over the food?
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Posted on Saturday, January 1, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And his name is Jan EGELAND, by the way... and let's see if the $15mm, then the $35mm, or the $315mm, ever gets to Southeast Asia, just as a lot of the $20 bn promised by Bush to NYC after 9/11, never got there.
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Posted on Sunday, January 2, 2005 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tulip..surely there's another board you can post your garbage on..one populated with like-minded fools who will lap up the nonsense and ugliness you spout.
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tulip
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 3:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whew!! Howard Beach with hutzpah!!
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 9:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have asked this question before, but I will try again.

Why does anyone with half a wit even respond to Tulip?

Is it for the entertainment? Or what?

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Face
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is satisfying to rebuke Tulip. He/she will grow up some day and learn about the real world, although it may take them a while. Give Tulip a chance.
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tulip
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 5:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She...and I'd rather it not be about me. I was writing about the tsunami, and the response. I think the UN did better than the US did. That's all. You guys turned it around as a personal attack on me.
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Face
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then I must have missed something, like your explaination of how the U.N. has done such a terrific job responding to the tsunami.

We've all listened to your complaints about the slow reaction and underfunding by the Bush Administration. So please list specifics regarding exactly what the UN has done to receive your treasured approval in responding to the tsunami? How much and when? A time table might be helpful too. You could compare the Bush Administration to the UN, that way we can all learn precisely how you came to your conclusion.

Thanks
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tjohn
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1. Actually Tulip, your particular skill is your ability to alienate those who might otherwise be inclined to agree with you.

2. You presented your dissatisfaction with our response to the disaster as an attack on the United States instead of providing an inspirational appeal for us to increase our aid.

3. And if you disagree with this post, then you have a very serious problem understanding how others perceive your written words.
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tulip
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pardon me for not being inspirational enough!!!

If you think saying the US didn't respond as well as the UN is an attack on the US, you are paranoid.

and I don't care what you think of my statements.
I am not a terrorist, I am not crazy, I just don't agree with things that were done. You can't call me a subterranean guerilla based on that.

I'd rather be heard than be universally loved, besides, you have no idea what I have done for our country, so why don't you take a break from harassing me every time I write to the message board.
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tjohn
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

See point 1.

Unlike Strawberry, I think you are trying to be sincere which makes point 1 all the more a pity.
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nobody is harassing you.
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Face
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 7:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tulip, specifically what has the UN done? And how is that better for you than what our own country has done?

Please explain or else you must realize that you do come off as just another hate Bush at all cost whacko.
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tulip
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Too tired now, another time, perhaps.
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 8:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 3:59 pm:


Just read the NY Times article about the "secret meeting" at Holbrooke's pad to save Kofi and the UN. Oil for Food scandals, sex-harassment scandals with no punishment, prostitution rings run by blue helmets in Congo, and general unease about the UN's ability to handle the latest crisis (while not mentioning UN "leadership" on the Sudan).

Was Tulip at that meeting? Don't they know how wonderful that world body is?
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The UN is a joke. Kofi should be in prison.
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Face
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Posted on Monday, January 3, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tulip is simply another Bush hater so caught up her hatred that she refuses to (or obviously cannot) provide evidence to back up any of her outrageous statements.

Yeah the UN is great! Long live Kofi! But what have either done for you lately?
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tulip
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Tulip is simply another Bush hater so caught up her hatred that she refuses to (or obviously cannot) provide evidence to back up any of her outrageous statements,

Tulip, specifically what has the UN done? And how is that better for you than what our own country has done?

Please explain or else you must realize that you do come off as just another hate Bush at all cost whacko

India accepts UN assistance, not US assistance.

Face,
Just do your research, or better yet, read the threads.

The UN is better for this, because they know how to work with people, not AT them. They do a careful assessment of what the country's needs are before they make a decision about where to allocate resources. Making an assessment includes asking the people, themselves, what they need. The US tends to go in and do what they think is needed, without really doing their research. The UN is less intimidating, they don't go in with military equipment, as well-meaning as that equipment might be. They go in carefully, and with respect.
Many of the countries in the UN have a history of being under colonial power. So does the US, but it seems to have forgotten what it feels like to be the underdog.


UNICEF rushes aid to tsunami hit areas in India

DELHI, 28 December 2004 – UNICEF-supplied water tanks began arriving at relief camps in some of the most severely affected areas of southern India yesterday, providing safe drinking water to families forced from their homes over the weekend. The first supply of 50 tanks reached the popular tourist destination of Kanchipuram, two hours outside of Chennai, the state capital of Tamil Nadu.

“Getting clean water to people in the camps is critical at this point to head off the spread of disease,” said Lizette Burgers, UNICEF’s chief of water and environmental sanitation, who visited Kanchipuram’s relief camps yesterday. “We are closely monitoring the hygiene conditions in the relief areas. Some diarrhoeal cases have already been reported, so providing oral rehydration solution is critical.”

UNICEF’s is urgently responding to requests from the most affected districts in Tamil Nadu to supply more than 1,500 water tanks, each with a capacity of 500 litres. Three million chlorine tablets are being provided, along with 1,000 kilograms of bleaching powder and 50,000 sachets of oral rehydration solution. UNICEF is also supplying 38,000 light blankets and 10,000 cotton sheets to the district governments to distribute at the relief camps.

Coastal areas of Tamil Nadu and three other states – Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Pondicherry – were all thrashed by the tidal surge that swept southern India on Boxing Day. Tamil Nadu was hardest hit, with 3,069 people killed. More than 100,000 people in the state have moved to some 200 relief camps in schools, community centres and marriage halls, and there are government warnings that people should remain away from coastal areas.


UNICEF has teams on the ground in three of the most affected districts in Tamil Nadu - Nagapattinam, Cuddalore and Kanyakumari – which reported the largest number of people killed and property destroyed. In Nagapattinam, 2069 people died in the tsunami and 77 were villages badly hit, while in Cuddalore, some 600 people were killed. In Kanyakumair, rescue operations are still underway. 37 relief centres have been opened to provide support, and rice, kerosene and clothing are being distributed by the government.

“These families have urgent needs,” said Burgers, a Dutch national. “I talked to mothers who are desperately searching for their children but cannot afford a bus ticket to visit nearby villages to look for them and I have seen many children who seem traumatized. UNICEF’s support at this time is critical to help these people with their most basic needs, and then to help them get back to their normal lives.”

In the neighbouring states of Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Pondicherry, relief efforts are continuing. 145 people died in Kerala, while 428 people were killed and 30,000 people displaced in Pondicherry. UNICEF teams have reached the three most affected districts in Andhra Pradesh, including Prakasam where 800 fishermen have been reported missing and most of the damage has been to boats and nets. UNICEF is working closely the district governments to assess the impact on the disaster on children’s health, schools and water supplies.





UNICEF begins building toilets in relief camps in India

© UNICEF India/2004
The toilets are ready for use
NAGARCOIL, India, 30 December 2004 - The Kanyakumari district administration and UNICEF are installing toilets in 19 of the relief camps where around 16,000 people displaced by this week’s tsunami are currently living.

The UNICEF team that has been in the southern district of Kanyakumari since the tsunami strike visited the camps with senior government officials. Around 80 masons are expected to start work on construction of sanitary toilets in the larger camps which are more overcrowded than others. These camps are housing a sizeable proportion of the displaced people, estimated at around 26,000 people in all.


© UNICEF India/2004
UNICEF engineers inspecting the toilets installed
The overcrowding in the relief camps has created water and sanitation problems. Father S.C. Clatton, whose church has been turned into a relief camp, has four thousand people and five toilets. Five toilets of the adjoining school have also been opened.

"We can try our best to provide them with food and whatever shelter that is possible in these few rooms, but we have hardly any toilets," he said.

Where flooding was the worst local water supplies are contaminated and damaged. Children are particularly vulnerable to waterborne diseases like malaria and cholera, and diarrhoea.

Although no infections have been reported so far, doctors and camp organisers are already discussing measures such as giving doses of preventable diseases to people, particularly children. Doctors have expressed their fear of epidemics breaking out due to overcrowding and lack of sanitation facilities.

"The need of sanitary toilets is commonly felt, and that is perhaps the reason why the government as well as camp organisers have readily agreed to have temporary toilets installed," said Dipak Roy, a water and sanitation professional and member of the UNICEF Kanyakumari team. “Digging of pits for installation of toilets has already started in some of the camps while UNICEF and the district administration are making efforts to contact other camps that are being run in the district.”

In addition, 50,000 kilos of bleaching powder has been requisitioned from the state capital, Chennai, which will be provided to the district administration for further distribution. UNICEF is also assessing the medium-term shelter needs of thousands of people who will have only broken houses once they decide to return.




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tjohn
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Posted on Tuesday, January 4, 2005 - 5:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tulip,

Try to be fair and balanced. Try to provide a similar level of coverage for U.S. involvement in relief efforts in Sumatra. Sumatra, you may recall, is the where the greatest damage occurred.

Look, the U.N. does good work in certain areas, but invariably, when there is heavy lifting to be done, the U.S. plays a leadership role.

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