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themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1325
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 1:48 pm: | 
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"The night before Washington's secretary of state was scheduled to certify Democrat Christine Gregoire as the governor-elect, her Republican rival Dino Rossi called for a complete re-do of the longest, closest governor's race in state history.
"The uncertainty surrounding this election process isn't just bad for you and me -- it is bad for the entire state. People need to know for sure that the next governor actually won the election," Rossi said Wednesday evening, reading from a letter he sent to Gregoire."
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Bobkat
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7129
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 2:02 pm: |
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I think Mr. Rossi is grandstanding, although I believe some absentee ballots were "found" in a closet somewhere in Seattle and they may have been the difference. In any event I think Mr. Rossi would be better off concentrating on unseating the Democratic senator who will be up for election next cycle. Voters don't like whiners.
In Colorado there is a similar situtation in a state assembly election where the eventual winner took the case to the state supreme court after a district court ruled one of her opponents the winner by counting over vote ballots where both of her opponents names were checked off. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 555
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 2:02 pm: |
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I don't have a problem with this request. Any vote has a statistical margin of error. He won the first count. He won the second count. He lost the third count after 700+ ballots were found. Now, I'm sure his reaction would have been the same as Gregoire's ("you're kidding, right?"), if Gregoire had made the same request after one of those recounts. But he's got a right to ask for whatever he wants. is he anymore of a sore loser than those Democrats who claim the Republicans didn't sweep the federal elections in November? |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 2:44 pm: |
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"is he anymore of a sore loser than those Democrats who claim the Republicans didn't sweep the federal elections in November?"
Huh? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 560
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 2:48 pm: |
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Poor phrasing on my part. My apologies. I should have been more explicit.
There are groups still trying to get the Ohio election results overturned. Are they sore losers? |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1332
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 11:48 am: |
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I like the fact that when Rossi "won", he wanted Gregoire to concede. But now everything is different.
Says Gregoire: "A do-over ... is only in golf. We call it a mulligan. This is not golf, and this is not practice. This is an election. It's had three counts."
"There are groups still trying to get the Ohio election results overturned. Are they sore losers?"
Yes and no. When a full and explicit vote count in completed, it's time to hang it up. Anyone calling for a revote in Ohio is a fool, but scrutiny of the voting system after an election, with an eye toward transparency and efficiency in future elections, is good for the country. I think the evidence in Ohio is not very persuasive, so they should drop it, but I also think that, given how tight elections have gotten, there needs to be more transparency in the process, and Ohio had a lot to explain. Too much is in the hands of partisan locals. If the shoe were on the other foot, the other party would complain too.
In Florida, 2000, the analysis after the election showed that Bush would still have won if all votes countable by normal methods were used, but that the intention of the majority of Floridas voters was to elect Gore. Unfortunately, this could only be discerned by hand examination of ballots, which the GOP effectively riduculed into impossibility. Needless to say, Democrats felt that given the very high percentage of wasted votes which almost entirely benefited Bush, that they were "robbed". And Republicans stuck to the idea that the results of a terribly administered election that clearly slanted a bias in vote counting efficiency toward Bush was sacred, although they wanted late military votes (sometimes absurdly late) counted.
We need clean elections. Why has almost nothing been done about it?
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Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1596
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |
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Because DUMBYA's president. Why should he mess with a good thing. Worked 2 times. If Jeb runs in 08, I guarantee nothing will be done again. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 557
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:12 pm: |
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ukea wrote "DUMBYA's"--get it? He is so funny and clever. |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 1600
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 1, 2005 - 9:30 am: |
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Thank you.
Happy New Year.
P.S.-You're not. |
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