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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois

Post Number: 12831
Registered: 10-2001


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not a word about it on MOL?
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro

Post Number: 542
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I care. 25k+ people dead. How can you not? It's too large a number to process. I'm still trying to get my head around it.
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ajc
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Username: Ajc

Post Number: 3349
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tragedy!
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart

Post Number: 1805
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to know why seismologists and geologists couldn't warn the people on the beaches in those two hours between the time of the earthquake and the time of the tidal waves. I can't believe no one knew that the waves were rushing toward Sri Lanka, India, Malaysia, the Maldives. I can't believe no one could tell them. Regions with major population centers in the developing world who live near the sea should have distant early warning systems to watch out for these things in the twenty-first century.

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wharfrat
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Username: Wharfrat

Post Number: 1476
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 6:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1. The technologies necessary to identify tsunamis, and then warn coastal areas cost big $$$. As it stands now, the countries that are part of this early warning system pay for it themselves.

2. What scientists, and by extension public officials understand about tsunamis in the Indian Ocean ill-equip them to identify the formation of tsunamis, and then predict when and where they would hit.

Today's NYT op-ed page has an enlightening column on just these topics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/28/opinion/28smith.html?oref=login
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cody
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Username: Cody

Post Number: 633
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 8:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the massive scope of this tragedy makes it difficult to talk about, particularly in a flip fashion. 25,000 people got up the other morning expecting to have a normal day and go to bed that night. They never did. How do you explain? How do you understand? I'm sure the grief felt in these countries is extreme. Instead of discussing it here, I'd rather send a donation to an international relief organization and say a prayer for those who died.
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Soda
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Username: Soda

Post Number: 2233
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This weekend you will be hearing calls from the pulpits of ALL denominations for contributions to aid the millions of victims of these horrific events. Sometimes it takes a cataclysm like this to remind us how lucky we are here in SOMA. Maybe we can temorarily lower the volume of the divisive rhetoric we sling so well here, and try to come together with our neighbors to compassionately help those in such distress on the other side of the planet.

-s.

BTW: Even if you don't attend services, please make an effort to support the work of relief and emergency aid organizations.
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SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady

Post Number: 1621
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Maybe we can temorarily lower the volume of the divisive rhetoric we sling so well here, and try to come together with our neighbors to compassionately help those in such distress on the other side of the planet."

Amen, Soda. Well said.
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Bobkat
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 7113
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On page A12 of today's NY Times there is a list of a dozen or so agencies that are soliciting donations.
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viva
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Username: Viva

Post Number: 603
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

44,000
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jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz

Post Number: 482
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The death toll is now up around 40,000 and expected to climb higher.

Money donations can be made at http://www.redcross.org.

A food drive would be a good thing. Does anyone know if any have been organized yet locally?
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 198
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JJKatz
From what I understand, in these types of international tragedies, relief agencies don't really want food or clothing donations because they are too bulky and costly to ship. Financial contributions are the best way to help the relief effort
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viva
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Username: Viva

Post Number: 604
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just to put things in perspective, the current death toll is roughly the total population of Maplewood and South Orange combined.
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marian
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Username: Marian

Post Number: 529
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cagey is right. My mother used to work for the Red Cross. She said after any major national or international tragedy, people would come out of the woodwork wanting to "help" and donate things. While the sentiment is nice, money -- and lots of it -- is really what the aid agencies need.
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jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz

Post Number: 483
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can't even get the Red Cross site to load. They must be getting swamped with people wanting to make donations. Good news. I'll keep trying and thanks for the advice re: food donations.
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susan1014
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Username: Susan1014

Post Number: 294
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I care deeply, and will be giving deeply. It is horrible.

But MOL is not where I come to discuss this sort of tragedy. The fact that I'm using my time here to discuss local issues (and restaurant reccomendations) does not mean that I'm not giving close attention (and my prayers) to other issues. Much of my life takes place away from these boards, believe it or not.
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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers

Post Number: 3707
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I care about it because my brother and his family are moving to indonesia after living in Ghana for 4 years. And if the technological infrastructure isn't able to tell people at a 5 star resort that a huge tidal wave is coming then I am seriously concerned for them should an event of this nature happen again.
not to mention the number of nasty sleeper cells there are in that region.

And I agree with Susan on this one.
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jjkatz
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Username: Jjkatz

Post Number: 485
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If there can possibly be an upside to this, it would be finding out that the dead include all the members of those sleeper cells.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead

Post Number: 1836
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Other than wondering how to warn people, and asking how we can contribute to aid (which we can learn elsewhere), I just don't know what to say. I mean, it is so HUGE. There was no malice involved, no politics... it just came out of nowhere, and now there are tens of thousands dead and hundreds of thousands of survivors whose lives are in tatters. Language can not convey the amount of sadness created by this catastrophe, and I know that everyone here feels similarly. I just don't think there is much to discuss, and furthermore I think it makes almost everything else being talked about on MOL rather trivial. I just want to see a lot of cooperation and aid getting to those countries asap.
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Ben
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Username: Ros

Post Number: 186
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For a list of about 25 different agencies accepting online donations, and links to their websites

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/quake.aidsites/index.html

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