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Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 586
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 - 3:31 pm: | 
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Brett,
That sounds like it's right up my alley. I just wonder if you have to take a drug test. If I did, I'd fail their drug test, but pass every other employers' test, since my urine is as pure as the yellow snow.
I sometimes think that the main reason marijuana hasn't been legalized is that to do so would require a large group of potheads to work towards a single goal in an organized fashion. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1392
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 - 3:37 pm: |
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Maybe the potheads can save Krispy Kreme http://www.boston.com/ae/food/articles/2005/01/05/krispy_kreme_leaves_a_hole_in_ her_heart/ |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 588
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 - 3:39 pm: |
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That stuff will kill you. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1394
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 - 3:47 pm: |
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 good one |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1347
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 4:58 pm: |
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Does that mean marijuana stores, farming, advertising, agricultural subsidies, etc?
I think there's something a little nasty about that idea.
I guess now that we have the war on terror, we can chill out on the war on drugs a little. Long as we have something. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 591
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 8:44 pm: |
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Come on themp what do you have against capitalism? You're not some kind of commie are you?
I could see marijuana stores and farming--perhaps advertising (but why bother the stuff already sells itself). Since marijuana legalization is something that's so unlikely to occur in this decade, I can't see how they'll get subsidies. Those sort of plums go to long entrenched interests.
If you think about it, marijuana legalized marijuana stores (more likely cafes) and other pot retailers may not even make all that much money, because a lot of folks will just grow their own. The plants seem to be relatively easy to grow (never tried it myself--but I've seen enough clueless hippies growing them in closets to realize it aint rocket science), and I believe it would only take a couple of plants to keep both Cheech and Chong baked for the entire year. That's one of the reasons I think there should be a "grow your own" license in the event of legalization. It gives the government a sure fire avenue for revenue generation. The other reason is that it gives the government a means of monitoring home growth, so that what purports to be a personal consumption grower doesn't turn into a defacto bootlegger undercutting the law-abiding, exhorbitant-tax-paying, "Cannibus Cafe" anchoring the finally revitalized Springfield Ave. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3203
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 8:46 pm: |
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Although, you'd think Philip Morris would jump on the opportunity with cig sales down and all. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 593
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 8:59 pm: |
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Yeah, but they've gotten a good chunk of China addicted without having to worry about those dastardly trial lawyers or even a surgeon general's warning. I have heard that the tobacco makers would be ready to go if the stuff gets legalized. It's probably just stoner myth though, since you'd expect them to lobby for it. |
ED LEVINE
Citizen
Username: Sid__nancy
Post Number: 23
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 9:11 pm: |
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jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 9:33 pm: |
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"Searching for that feeling" Mr. Levine?
drink drink drink!!! |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1348
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 6, 2005 - 10:04 pm: |
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Here's the thing - alcohol is part of our culture and always has bee since the cave. Dope, however, is different. For one thing, it is much stronger than it used to be. alcohol has its effect, but drinking 80 proof and drinking 40 proof aren't substantially different.
Dope has gone way up in potency as a result of "prohibition". If they had never outlawed dope, everyone who cared to could smoke weak ditch weed. But now the stuff is really nuts in strength.
Also- alcohol depresses stuff - like inhibitions and motor reflexes, but it doesn't (generally) create perceptual and cognitive trippiness or halucination. This is why dope is "cooler" but also more subversive and weird than booze. seeing an italiian 14 year old drink wine at dinnerwith his grandmother is vastly different than the idea of seeing a 14 year old sparking up a "Marlboro" brand spliff and saying "wow" as he stares at a black ligth poster of a unicorn.
also -Grateful Dead came up, let me explain. In order to listen to the Grateful Dead you have to be high in order to supress any native sense if rhythm, or else their horrible wobbly sound would drive you crazy. There are a few people who can listen to them without being high, but they essentially have to have zero sense of rhythm to begin with. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2842
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 7:20 am: |
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What would happen if we legalized drugs (hash, cocaine, heroin, marijuana) and spent all of the money currently spent on the failed War on Drugs dealing with the causes and effects of drug abuse? The impact on several third world economies would be devastating, but wouldn't we be better off?
Let's see. The police could concentrate on other crime. Criminals and gangs would have less money. That's two. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3205
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 8:13 am: |
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Just in case no one clicked on this link...www.drugpolicyalliance.com
It's the way we need to go on drugs. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 152
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 8:50 am: |
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Pot isn't really that much more potent than it was 30 years ago.
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2074151 |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 595
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:07 am: |
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Even if it is more potent, that just means people have to smoke less of it in order to achieve the desired affect. If you smoke too much of it, you fall asleep. If you drink too much alcohol, you can die of alcohol poisoning.
I get your point though that alcohol can be drunk in moderation, whereas people don't smoke pot because they like the taste. They smoke it to get high--which is why 14 year olds shouldn't be permitted to smoke it (make them wait until they're 21). I'm not one of these pot proselytizers who's going to spout all this nonsense about all the benefits of marijuana. It's a vice and for a number of people who take it, it becomes a big problem. But then again so is eating Krispy Kreme donuts, and we wouldn't give serious consideration to outlawing those things. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 11:16 am: |
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Another thought - people drink liquids as a natural part of life, but smoking is something different all together. Smoking anything should be discouraged.
I don't think the war on drugs is necessary, and treatment makes way more sense and is more cost effective, but the idea of pot being legally sold is pretty depressing for some reason. It's dumb to bust people for small quantities, or even home grown, but I can't see the FDA or the DOA inspecting and certifying bags of grass for sale at licensed dope stores.
"Mommy can't drive you to practice because mommy is baked right now. Let's eat some ice cream instead." |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1351
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 11:23 am: |
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I read that Slate article at the time, and it is interesting, but does concede that pot is 3 times stronger. That is alot.
I'm not anti-pot, but I put "legalize it" right next to "get rid of the electoral college" and "moon colonies" in my menagerie of never-gonna-happen ideas. |
StringsTeacher99
Supporter
Username: Blue_eyes
Post Number: 279
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 2:47 pm: |
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"people drink liquids as a natural part of life"
True, but wouldn't you say marijuana is more "natural" than alcohol? And any responisible adult would not get high and shirk their commitments, just as they should not get DRUNK instead of driving their kids to practice. The reasoning doesn't quite work.
Also, your body does not become physically addicted to THC as it can become to nicotine and alcohol.
However I agree with you, themp, on it not ever becoming legalized, and personally don't think it should. Decriminalizing it, however, is another story. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3206
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 2:50 pm: |
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Oh for god's sake, a doctor can prescribe a morphine drip to cancer or aids patients, but he can't prescribe pot. It's ludicrous. |
E
Citizen
Username: Scubadiver
Post Number: 33
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 8, 2005 - 11:15 pm: |
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only users lose drugs |
ED LEVINE
Citizen
Username: Sid__nancy
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 6:29 pm: |
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Everyday Jerky. You know a lot people had plans after the war like.............................GEORGE ZIPP! |
jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:06 pm: |
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Six days to respond?
Ed what's the deal.
I'm talking brie baby and you're talking gorganzola! |
Lydia
Citizen
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 852
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 8:21 pm: |
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Pot became illegal (I've heard) when hemp crops became a threat to cotton crops and Wm R. Hearst started a tirade backed by his papers that pot was a menace.
Maybe I'm just regurgitating propaganda, but I've never met an aggressive stoner. Most potheads I've known have been lazy types, or normal people who like to mellow out at the end of the day.
I think that Cannibus should be legal - ridiculous that people are in jail for growing/smoking/purchasing it. |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 93
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 8:56 pm: |
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E,
Reality is just a crutch for those who can't face drugs.
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Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 94
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 9:13 pm: |
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themp,
I remember an interview with Jerry Garcia in which he talked about their days in Haight-Ashbury, when they would drop acid and play outdoor concerts for hours on end. When asked to describe the experience he said, "It was at least cosmic."
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3222
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 8:51 am: |
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Love that Jerry line.
But, what does acid have to do with legalizing pot? |
ED LEVINE
Citizen
Username: Sid__nancy
Post Number: 33
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 11:48 am: |
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I lost my train of thought you jerk. We should meet behind the library @ 3:00 after school. Where we can continue this discussion over a left handed cigarette. |
jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 28
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 11:54 am: |
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Ed - I'm the world champion roast beef wrestler, let's discuss. |
ED LEVINE
Citizen
Username: Sid__nancy
Post Number: 37
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 12:50 pm: |
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I do not tangle with roast beef wrestlers. Rice puddin'? maybe - but definitely no roast beef, corned beef, or beef jerky for that matter. |
jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 29
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 3:38 pm: |
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Ed,
Don't make me slap you with a side of nova! |
jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 30
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 3:41 pm: |
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Ed------ J.K.
When is your next show at Chez Rabbit? |
ED LEVINE
Citizen
Username: Sid__nancy
Post Number: 38
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:44 pm: |
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The anticipation must be killing you. I had my moment of zen with "Chez Rabbit" and it is time to move on Jerky-child. As far as slapping my mullet with nova or lox, you have another thing coming.
WE MOCK WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND-BABE IN ARMS |
jerkyboy
Citizen
Username: Jerkyboy
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:52 pm: |
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STANDING OVATION |
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