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kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 371
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 5:52 pm: |     |
Does anybody know what is happening at Ridgewood Road and Cedar Lane?
The section of Cedar lane below Ridgewood has been sealed off since 2:00PM and I've seen a dozen undercover and regular police cars parked along the street. There has also been an ambulance parked there for the last 3.5 hours... |
emmie
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Username: Emmie
Post Number: 408
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 6:26 pm: | |
I saw this too on the way home from work. I went around the block just to check out the other end of Cedar Ln. and there were five police cars parked on Kendel. When I looked down the street it looked like there were a couple of cars horizontlly in the middle of the block. I was thinkng a bad accident. |
monster
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 482
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 3:29 pm: | |
apparently a Vietnam Vet lives in one of the houses at the end of the street (not the Ridgewood end), and he had a little episode.
I heard it took tear gas to end the situation, that's all I know, besides the fact that residents of neighboring houses were told to move as far away in their house that they could get, away from the house in question. |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4687
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 3:41 pm: | |
A Vietnam Vet has a little episode? Monster, what are you implying here? What does the person's veteran's stutus have to do with this? |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 373
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 3:58 pm: | |
I can only imagine what Monster means. (Joan, I hope you are joking and not trying to be PC about a simple little statement.)
Thanks for clearing it up....I went back and looked the next day for crime scene tape or something. It really did have a feel of a large scale or extremely serious situation. |
emmie
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Username: Emmie
Post Number: 410
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 5:50 pm: | |
Joan,
Ditto!! |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4692
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 7:03 pm: | |
kmk:
I am not kidding; nor, am I trying to be PC. Unless this person was suffering a flashback from his/her service in the military, I fail to see what his/her service in Vietnam has anything to do with this "incident". |
DeborahG
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Username: Deborahg
Post Number: 1147
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 7:18 pm: | |
My understanding that there was a very disturbed person living on this street, and he had a violent episode; threw rocks in windows, slashed car tires, etc. Some of the residents of the block were evacuated.
Apropos of this, if anyone knows the name of a lawyer who specializes in dealing with the state's mental health system (or lack thereof), would you PL me? Thanks. |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 375
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 7:23 pm: | |
Joan,
Do you really feel that the title "veteran" is something to be ashamed of? I would not flinch is someone described me as a suburban housewife - it is simply who I am. One would imagine that a Vietnam Vet would not mind being referred to as exactly that - a Vietnam Vet.
The title even lessens the "stigma" of suffering a psychotic episode when you consider the hell those guys lived through.
I am honestly confused as to what in the world you could be taking an issue with. |
emmie
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Username: Emmie
Post Number: 411
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 7:44 pm: | |
I think it was the insinuation that there is a connection between this man's actions and the fact that he is a Vietnam Vet. Ain't necessarily so. Was it really necessary to mention the fact that he was a Vietnam vet? If he were a WW II Vet or Korean War Vet would it have been mentioned? BTW, it wasn't just guys who were in Nam, I am also a Vietnam Vet, I am a nurse. |
monster
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 483
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 10:34 pm: | |
I would have mentioned it if he was a Veteran of any war, I gave the information that I was given.
In mentioning that he was a veteran of a war, I was probably giving the benefit of a doubt that his actions may be a result of his time spent in the military, in Vietnam.
I in no way what so ever meant it in a derogatory way, the person in question (if he is a Vet), has my utmost respect simply because of that fact, and I (without explanation) hoped that any person of reasonable intelligence would know what I meant.
I have been in and out of the hospital since New Years eve, haven't had much sleep, and if I have hurt any person of the mans family by any remark I made, I do apologize.
I will not apologize to anyone else, because what you may think really doesn't mean a rat's a s s to me.
The fact that the person in question is a Vet, whether he/she is a Vietnam Vet, or a Vet of another war may be of relevance as towards the actions presented by the individual, that is why I mentioned it. If you can't understand that than perhaps you should try to figure out why....
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luv2cruise
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Username: Luv2cruise
Post Number: 316
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 4:45 am: | |
Who really cares what war he was in. He was a nutjob and thankfully he didn't hurt anyone. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 1045
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 6:16 am: | |
Veteran status is no more relevant than the person's race at this point. We should condemn that kind of reporting much as we would reporting of the race of alleged criminals.
It's pretty popular to portray all Viet Nam veterans as nut jobs, waiting to explode. Nothing could be further from the truth. |
luv2cruise
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Username: Luv2cruise
Post Number: 317
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 7:34 am: | |
You're correct. That's why I posted "who really cares what war he was in" The fact that he was in Vietnam doesn't necessarily make him the nutjob that he is. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 1047
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 9:13 am: | |
Also, a fair number of nut jobs, who may or may not have served in the armed forces during that time, have been known to claim Viet Nam as their posting for any number of reasons. Most veterans I know view such claims with a jaundiced eye, conscious as they are of the smear that's been done to their reputation. The stats just don't support it (though some movies would have you believe otherwise).
In any case, it's not relevant unless shown to be so (like race, political party affiliation, etc.) |
buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 1569
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 9:52 am: | |
THE ISSUE HERE is that the man in question has a problem and is problem to his neighbors. This man needs to be in an enviornment that is safe for him and for others. Luckly no one was physically hurt in this situation. I live near the guy. His actions have scared me in the past.
I didn't read anything un-pc or feel that the term Vietnam Vet was used as some kind of blanket term. Just a discription. My Father is a Vietnam Vet, he uses that term to discribe himself often. |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4695
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 3:57 pm: | |
Emmie:
Thanks. That is exactly what I meant.
Monster:
Being in and out of the hospital doesn't sound good. I hope your condition is improving rapidly and that you continue to feel better every day.
I reacted so strongly to your description of the individual as a "Vietnam Veteran" because I do a lot of volunteer work with the VFW and this has made me sensitive to the undeserved bad press Vietnam Veterans have received, due in large part to the unpopularity of the conflict in which they served. |
monster
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 487
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 5:14 pm: | |
thanks Joan, it's not me though.
My daughter has been in St. Barnabas since New Years Eve, we watched the ball drop in the Emergency Room.
My wife and I have been switching on and off, what with having a 5 year old son at home, it was pretty scary for awhile, but is improving rapidly now.
Had the best night of sleep in days last night, took a couple of drinks though to pull it off. |
Taylor M
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Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 250
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 5:19 pm: | |
Mental Healthcare in Jersey frankly SU#*S. VETs get the biggest shaft. I hope this poor guy gets the care he sounds llke he so desperately needs. |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4697
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 6:45 pm: | |
Monster:
Having something like this happen to your child can often be far worse than having it happen to yourself. I sincerely hope that she will make a speedy recovery.
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Debby
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Username: Debby
Post Number: 1509
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 7:07 pm: | |
Monster - I'm so sorry about your daughter. I'm glad her situation is improving. Being on the peds unit is so upsetting because aside from your own tzuris youstart talking to other parents and it can get quite depressing.
I hhope for a speedy and complete recovery. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 12952
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 7:34 pm: | |
Me too Monster. I hope everything turns out okay. |
Chalmers
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Username: Chalmers
Post Number: 103
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 8:21 am: | |
I read this post because I live near where this happened but I feel I must chime in on the relevancy of the man's Vietnam Vet status. I lived in Hawaii and my housemate was a social worker for the VA who worked with Vietnam Veterans suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Many of them move to Hawaii because they have trouble dealing with life on the mainland and some do have troubles, i.e. have to go into the hills on holidays because the sound of fireworks is so troubling to them. I don't think this means that all Vietnam veterans are troubled, but some are, and a mention of the man's status as one is a fact, not a put-down. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 1049
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 9:25 am: | |
Good luck to you your family, and to your daughter, monster. I'm a tad sensitive about Viet Nam vets right now because mine is in the hospital (no, he's not crazy!)
Chalmers, I think the reason some object to citing the status is that there's a stereotype, a profile if you will, that goes Viet Nam Vet = unstable nut job. So, just as folks object to noting race or age out of the gate when something is reported, so too veteran-ness, especially if it supports a knee-jerk stereotype of questionable validity.
Yep, some are troubled. Just as some WWII, Korea, Gulf War and now Iraq vets are troubled. And we do a shameful job of supporting their needs (whatever your political persuasion). |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 409
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 11:29 am: | |
I wasn't going to write it, but since chalmers brought it up and Cynicalgirl addressed it....A number of years ago, I rented a house and the next door neighbor stopped by while I was moving in. The first thing that he told me was that I should warn him if I was going to have any loud parties. The second thing was he requested was that I never light fireworks in the vicinity. His reason was that he was a Vietnam Vet and that if he hears the loud noises, he will probably curl up in a ball in his basement with cold sweats.
I don't see why people get offended by stories like this when it is some of the Vets themselves that say these things and give warnings.
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just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 1:58 pm: | |
from the beginning of this thread i thought cedar lane was by kendel! i discovered yesterday they are nowhere newar eachother! i can't believe i drive past cedar lane every day and didn't actually realize it until yesterday i turned up it. |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 475
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 2:17 pm: | |
Cedar Lane runs right into Kendal |
just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 1021
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:25 pm: | |
then there must be two cedar lanes. i was on ridgewood heading toward south orange and realized i need to be on wyomining. turned up the first street i came to. it was over by milk money. ran between ridgewood and wyoming. you could only make a let onto cedar as the street ended on ridgewood.
i thought kendel was over near jefferson? |
just me fromsouthorange
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Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 1022
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:29 pm: | |
nevermind. i'm so use to getting to kendel from walton or jefferson. i never realized i could have shot down another street. sorry |
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