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Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 1400
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 10:12 pm: | 
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On the brighter side, the Marines are beginning to fall short on their recruiting targets, which suggests that fewer young people are buying the President's lies about "spreading freedom".
In time this may lead to greater realism in the White House. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 4476
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 10:13 pm: |
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they fell short by 80 in Dec....Not tremendous and the Pentagon isn't concerned the shortfall will continue lib. |
Dave
Moderator
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5184
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 10:17 pm: |
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The topic is "What the hell is wrong with liberals". Let's not drift too much. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3096
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 10:55 pm: |
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Tom, because you aren't getting as many job calls from head hunters I think speaks more to your line of work than the economy overall. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5367
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 11:42 pm: |
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Quite right, cjc. But if you want one person's view, that's what you'll get, for as little as it's worth. Some fields are up, and some are down. Everyone has a different point of view. Aggregate the data, and the picture isn't good. I'm not complaining about my rate of pay. For the little my viewpoint is worth, and that's not much, the time it took me to get a job is pretty bad. When lots of people have similar luck to what I had, that's a bad indication of how things are going. |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 98
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 9:34 am: |
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Straw Poll
Straw --
You seem to be the token right-wing Republican here. Other Republicans seem to show some moderation or at least, tolerance. And that's fine -- makes message boarding more fun. But I'm REALLY curious. We know you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Bush on foreign policy ("agree or be destroyed") and economic ("agree or be destroyed") issues, but I'm curious if you're with him on social issues, or if your social stances drift more in the direction of your average Maplewoodian/South Orangean. For example, are you pro-life, pro anti-gay marriage amendement, pro flag-burning amendment, pro-prayer in school, ant-gay adoption, anti-stem cell research, pro-NoChildLeftBehind, pro Roy Moore, etc.?
Just itching to know if you abhor all things liberal or are selectively liberal-intolerant? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 3100
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 10:41 am: |
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Somehow, I'm having a hard time with unemployment at 5.2% and overall more jobs than Bush inherited in 2001 as "bad," especially in the aggregate. Bad compared to what? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5371
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 10:48 am: |
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Bad compared to how it was, even before the period of irrational exuberance. Lots of people are taking much lower paid jobs. (Many claim this is good for the economy because shareholders get a better ROI.) Lots of people have given up hope of finding jobs, which improves the unemployment figures. In other words, the meter is broken.
Overall more jobs: cjc, someone explained how that's bunk very recently, and I'm pretty sure it was in this thread. |
Debby
Citizen
Username: Debby
Post Number: 1639
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 11:08 am: |
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Dave - |
Ginny Brown
Citizen
Username: Ginny_brown
Post Number: 16
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 10:02 pm: |
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When the economy was booming in the 90's, the country was not at war, and unemployment and inflation were practically non existant and abortion dropped to 25 year lows, what did the repuglican party do: they called the president a rapist, a murderer, and a sociopath. they launched investigations with "special" prosecutors for millions of dollars to "uncover" a sex scandal and they impeached him. What a load of crap. Now you have the audacity to say liberals are complaining when we launched a preemptive war, Social Security is under attack, the rest of the world thinks we are yahoo morons and the evangelical crazies are as intolerant as the Taliban. I don't know why I just bothered b/c you'll make some smug and bullying comment, but I couldn't let this go. |
Face
Citizen
Username: Face
Post Number: 509
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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Tom, Why not move to Canada? Since you don't like Bush and want a better job market why not give Canada a try.
In fact why don't all of you Bush haters give Canada a shot. Leave America and go where you'll find the laws more accomodative to your thinking.
As far as I'm concerned good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 90
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 11:06 pm: |
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Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to fix a burned
out light bulb?
A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions
are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are
a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has
served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. To
impugn the integrity of the light bulb is unpatriotic. Why do you hate
freedom? |
Albatross
Citizen
Username: Albatross
Post Number: 485
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 7, 2005 - 11:48 pm: |
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Um, actually Face, the United States Constitution quite accomodative to my thinking. Thank you for the offer and your contribution. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5394
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 7:20 am: |
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Why don't I move to Canada? Because I don't quit when things don't go my way. I hope and try to make things better. Is quitting your usual approach? Furthermore, I don't want to be asked to leave. Really, now. Does my point of view threaten you so much that you'd rather see Bush opposers gone? |
Dave
Moderator
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5197
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 7:49 am: |
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Again, the topic is "what the hell is wrong with liberals" -- not where they should live.
Let's stay on topic... |
musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 960
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 8:27 am: |
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There is nothing wrong with being liberal.
It is simply a moral point of view. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 404
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 8:43 am: |
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In fact why don't all of you Bush haters give Canada a shot. Leave America and go where you'll find the laws more accomodative to your thinking.
I don't believe in running away from BULLIES. It's called fighting back and making sure in the next election another BUSH (or likes of him) is NOT in office. After his latest budget cuts to some of the very people who supported him, I'm sure they'll exercise their vote at the polls.
Back to topic.
There is nothing wrong with being liberal.
It is simply a moral point of view.
DITTO! |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 683
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 10:06 am: |
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If anyone should move it's Face. Clearly he's not comfortable living in a country that has become great, because it fosters a free exchange of ideas. You know, Face (or should I call you Fascist?), there are plenty of right-wing military dicatorships where you'd feel right at home. One of the perks is that not only do you not have to put up with opposing views, you can actually join a death squad and kill people whose views you don't like. You'll love it. I'm thinking you'd fit in well with the Janjaweed in Sudan. Now those people know how to deal with their political opponents.
Since this state has 2 democrat senators, a democratic governor and this town itself is overrun by liberals, it only makes sense that you should be sent packing if you believe that those holding views which are in the minority should be leave. |
Strawberry Alarm Clock
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 4490
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:06 am: |
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Todays topic: Howard Dean.
Thank you Democrats. Thank you for making this loud mouth jerk the voice of your party. Thank you for taking a man that could possibly be the most embarrassing member of your party (this side of Al Bore) and giving him the stripes and power he wants.
Howard Dean did 2 things this past campaign. 1) He brought in a ton of dough thanks to the over anxious and misinformed left. 2) He threw it all away with comments and behaivor that frankly made Americans sick.
Most Americans believe Dean to be nothing more then a cartoon character at this point. His respect level is somewhere between Ted Kennedy and Gary Hart. In a sentence, he's not the strong leader the party needed. How and why did this man get such a position of power? Simple, the dopey left once again destroying everything that's important to the 21st century Democratic party.
So, over the next four years here's what the Democrats can expect. Dean, despite what he says still aspires to be President. Could he actually decide to run in two years despite his new job? Sure could, and this would be bad since it would cause chaos and transition at a poor time for the DNC.
Ok, let's say the mouth that roared is honest and really had the heart of the party at interest. He stays on as DNC head in other words. Well, this is problematic as well since Hillary Clinton who is clearly the party's top candidate is moving center as we speak. In a way only a Clinton can she reinvents herself based on whichever way the wind blows. Can a moderate Clinton and liberal Dean get on the same page? No, the internal bickering will be ugly and in the end Dean will make it clear there is no party unity. Clinton will be called out for "swinging" and as a result she will once again come off looking like a liar. Hill and Dean, bad match.
So, if it's no Hill, who is it? Will Dean re-enlist Gore? How about the unproven Obama? the sickening Ted Kennedy? Are dems this stupid? How about Richardson? But can the outspoken Richardson co-exist with the outspoken Dean. Will the two of them be able to pull off the same message? Doubtful with all the lip flap going on between the two.
Who does that leave? Pelosi or Kerry again? yuch!
Chances are what we will see is an unproven John Edwards with a new found liberal agenda acting as the 08 Dean monkey...
And anyone who watched 04, knows Edwards is simply not Presidential. A lawyer with no job just isn't what the Dems need now.
Howard Dean is a disaster and as a Republican all I have to say is hugs and kisses to the Liberals who got him his new gig.
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anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1661
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 2:33 pm: |
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Wait and See. |
common sense
Citizen
Username: Common_sense
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 2:45 pm: |
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that's a lot of words to say you're not worried boreberry
you know your ranting against dems is beginning to sound like you are actually upset that the dems do not seem - to you - to be improving their chances.
are you upset because you are a closet liberal ?
inquiring minds don't really want to know |
Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 621
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 9:51 pm: |
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Todays topic: Howard Dean.
This may be, pound for pound, the most confused and ill-informed post ever on MOL. There's just nothing that even remotely resembles fact or truth. Could the writer actually believe such nonsense, or is he just running scared, as most right-thinking Republicans are? |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 105
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 10:15 pm: |
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I smell fear, not common sense, from Strawberry. He's scared the Democrats will find their voice.
Make no mistake, Democrats will only succed when we realize that we're in the right, not when we water down our stances. Dean is a great candidate because he's saying we STAND BEHIND what we believe, and we believe there can be a much better America.
Yes, be afraid, be very afraid. The days of intolerance, selfishness, self-righteousness, religious overstepping, and catering to the rich will eventually come to an end, perhaps and hopefully sooner than you would have hoped. |
Strawberry Alarm Clock
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 4495
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 7:21 am: |
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YOU DOPEY LIBERALS ARE RIGHT: FEAR THIS MAN..
once again a post brought to MOL thanks in part to the idiotic liberals running the useless Democratic party. |
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