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Strawberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 4366
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 12:03 pm: | 
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no surprise...boxer, kennedy, kerry, byrd & Levin are the 5 idiots who voted against this very qualified African American woman. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 4367
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
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actually 85-13
morons include:
Sen. Tom Harkin (IA)
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (NJ)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Sen. Mark Dayton (MN)
Sen. Daniel Akaka (HI)
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John Kerry
Sen. james jeffords (VT)
Sen. Jack Reed (RI)
Sen. Richard Durbin (IL)
Sen. Kennedy
Sen. Carl Levin
Sen. Barbara Boxer
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Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 506
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 12:38 pm: |
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The Headlines should read :
"Former KKK Leader Opposes Black Female Secretary of State Nominee" |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1389
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 2:58 pm: |
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the two of you are idiots, proven by this thread. I think any objective critic would agree. |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 511
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:06 pm: |
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Themp what part of my headline is not true.
If Byrd were a Republican the NYT would have run that headline.
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themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1390
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:08 pm: |
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Sorry, it was like a strobe light that captures two people in an absurd position, the two of you, with no other comments but yours, trying to get something started. It was a tableau of supreme, comical idiocy and I disturbed it, which I regret.
Go back to doing it and everyone will just watch. |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 512
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:18 pm: |
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Themp , feel free to join in.
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Heybub
Citizen
Username: Heybub
Post Number: 388
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:19 pm: |
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That still cracks me up. |
Sgt. Pepper
Citizen
Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 594
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:21 pm: |
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Interesting that Guy and Straw were the only ones who felt compelled to mention her race or gender, as if those should be considered when deciding how to vote.
Rice's being completely blindsided by 9/11 despite months and months of warnings including one called "Bin Laden Plans to Attack Inside the US" should tell you all you need to know about her abilities as National Security Advisor. And that had nothing to do with her race or gender either. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1391
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:29 pm: |
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Pepper - Shhhh, just watch and let the behavior progress. It gets very interesting. |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 513
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:38 pm: |
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OK let's recap. Straw points out that the 13 Dems who voted against Rice are out of touch.
I then point out the irony that a former KKK member opposes a more than qualified African American women as indicated by the 85 yes votes.
I also point out that if Byrd were a Republican this irony would have been played up a bit.
Follow that up with a humorous cartoon.
Then themp feels the need to call us idiots.
I think that about covers it. |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 1393
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:48 pm: |
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Well put. Nice recap. The first four items did indeed bring about the fifth, but I shouldn't have disturbed the perfect stupidity of the moment. |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 461
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:52 pm: |
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Straw,
If you know, who were the two Senators which abstained, or didn't show up for the vote?
TomR. |
Sgt. Pepper
Citizen
Username: Jjkatz
Post Number: 595
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 3:59 pm: |
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I also point out that if Byrd were a Republican this irony would have been played up a bit.
Well it IS being played up, isn't it? What you've failed to do is establish any connection between these two facts to back up the implication that her race played a role in his decision-making. Perhaps the "more than qualified" part was what he based his vote on? |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 514
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 4:12 pm: |
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Sarge I never said it played any role in Byrd's mind. I simply pointed out the irony.
After Zell Miller gave that great speech all the media kept talking about was his connection to Lester Maddox for no reason but to discredit him and paint him a racist,however, the Byrd KKK connection was never mentioned during these hearings. |
Heybub
Citizen
Username: Heybub
Post Number: 389
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 4:35 pm: |
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Guy , you know you are doing a good job when themp calls you an idiot. |
malone
Citizen
Username: Malone
Post Number: 262
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 4:49 pm: |
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Klansman Byrd aside, it has to be somewhat ironic that the one President who the NAACP despises, and who is barely on speaking terms with the congressional black caucus, is the only one to have ever appointed a black Sec of State, and he has actually appointed two!
How many black cabinet members did Clinton (our first black president) have?
by the way, did any of you know that it was Byrd who filibustered the civil rights act of 1964? |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 347
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 5:23 pm: |
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I would have prefered someone with a nicer face. |
twig
Citizen
Username: Twig
Post Number: 140
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 5:48 pm: |
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I am not a fan of Ms. Rice and disagree with the manner in which the Iraq situation has been handled. But the question as to whether it is acceptable to mention a political figure's race or gender strikes me as one that is difficult to answer.
Should Ms. Rice's race and/or gender matter - certainly not. But, in reality, I think that it is somewhat disingenuous to suggest that they don't. When it is convenient or a perceived advantage to mention someone's race or gender, that is how the person is described...both in positive ways (as a point of pride) and in negative ways (to try to "turn off" people). Honestly now - would Barack Obama, a first termer, really be getting all the press were it not for his race? How often has it been noted that Colin Powell was the first African-American secretary of state or can anyone say that Clarence Thomas' race wasn't an issue in a couple of ways? How about Shirley Chisholm? NYS Rep (former NYC city councilperson) Tom Duane's (great guy by the way) campaign literature describes him as the first openly gay city councilperson. We are who we are and our race is a part of us...we cannot help but bring the experience of being an African-American woman or a white male or a gay person to our jobs, avocations and all aspects of our life. Let's not pretend that politicians don't reference themselves in those ways when it helps out but then turn around and decry others who do the same. Perhaps it may be fair to conclude that Strawberry did it in a way that made it appear that Ms. Rice's race was the reason that these persons had voted against her. I don't know his/her intentions. But, I think that it is fair to assume that someone on this board is going to take pride in the fact that an African-American women is now Sec of State...for we should. |
Bobkat
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7376
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 6:07 pm: |
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An interesting point is that the Democrats run minorities and they even win seats. The GOP tends to have to appoint minorities and then suggest that those who don't support the Thomases,Gonzalesses and the Rices are racist.
and yeah I know there are a couple of exceptions |
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