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Robert Livingston
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Post Number: 844
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 1:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alabama Lawmaker Targets Books, Plays That 'Sanction' Homosexuality
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
February 11, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - A self-described "gay novelist" says he's sent a copy of his novel and a miniature shovel to the Alabama politician who wants to remove "gay-themed" books, plays, and films from Alabama's public libraries, schools and universities.

The measure recently introduced by Rep. Gerald Allen, a Republican, would ban books that, "...sanction, recognize, foster, or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of the state."

"A society cannot sustain itself through activities such as this, and for us to promote it with public dollars just doesn't make sense," press reports quoted Allen as saying. Allen also sponsored legislation seeking a state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

Author Michael Holloway Perronne said if Allen is determined to bury "such great works at The Color Purple, The Picture of Dorian Gray, and Brideshead Revisited, then I would be honored to have my own work buried with such classics.

"Mr. Allen can use the shovel I sent him to start digging his hole," Perronne said in a press release.

In a widely quoted remark, Allen suggested that if his bill passes, all novels and college textbooks dealing with proscribed subject matter would have to be removed from libraries and schools.

"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.

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Strawberry Alarm Clock
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Post Number: 4481
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 1:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 1567
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 1:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear Bush himself talked this Alabama State legislator into introducing this bill.

He did it right before personally flying deportees to Montserrat, and then making a stop at Gitmo to sodomize some prisoners.

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Mark Fuhrman
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Post Number: 1285
Registered: 9-2001


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You beat me to the post, Michael.
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tjohn
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Post Number: 2918
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bush is very responsible for setting a tone that makes the above-mentioned Fahrenheit 451 legislation acceptable. There is very little difference between an American values amendment that Bush supports and the legislation proposed above.

I don't believe that we will ever see the extremes of Nazi Germany here in the United States. Nevertheless, it is worth remembering that Hitler was enabled by those willing to overlook his dark side because they thought he would be a good antidote to chaos and Communism.

So, anybody who finds Bush's anti-gay pronouncements disturbing but supports him anyway because of his stance of terror might want to rethink that position. As Ben Franklin noted, people who sacrifice freedom for security end up with neither.
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lumpynose
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Post Number: 1105
Registered: 3-2002


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's the same public tax dollars in Maplewood that doesn't want to promote Christmas music in our schools.

Gerald Allen is an ignorant jerk (how does he even get elected??)and both bans are ridiculous.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 1568
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 3:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The worst part is Bush signed into law acts banning Gays from military service and then signed the Defense of Marriage act. These are two highly anti-gay laws. He is is very responsible for setting a tone that makes the above-mentioned Fahrenheit 451 legislation acceptable. Its almost Naziism!!

Oh, wait, Clinton signed those laws... Never mind.
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Sgt. Pepper
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Username: Jjkatz

Post Number: 669
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, and how about that Constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage, the first attempt to pass an amendment specifically intended to deny a group of people a civil right based on theology and bigotry!

Oh wait, that was Bush.
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Albatross
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 9-2004


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For the millionth time:

1) Disapproval of Bush / conservative agendas and policies does NOT equate to approval of Clinton's.

2) Clinton's misdeeds do not absolve anyone's misdeeds today.

The tone has been in place for some time. It was not started in this administration. However. the Bush administration is partly responsible for perpetuating that tone, which is equally heinous.
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Michael Janay
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Username: Childprotect

Post Number: 1569
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since when is getting married a civil right?
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tjohn
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Post Number: 2919
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are we talking about a religious marriage or a civil ceremony? The latter is subject to anti-discrimination clauses in the Constitution.
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Sgt. Pepper
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Username: Jjkatz

Post Number: 673
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 4:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm talking about a civil ceremony. Nobody can force a religious organization to marry people it doesn't want to marry.
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anon
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Post Number: 1651
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 5:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Since when is getting married a civil right?"

Research it, Michael. I am sure you will find plenty of cases stating that there is a fundamental right to marry. Read Griswold v. Connecticut. The Right says that marraige is the basis of society. That's why the want to "protect" marraige.

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