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lumpynose
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 8:47 pm: | 
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That save's post was funny and made people laugh by poking fun at people who take everything too seriously. Like you. |
Parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 1736
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 9:36 pm: |
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Lumpy,
Do you really think Save's post was funny. What comical mine did it plumb? It was the same material Save has been harping on for months. I think you need to get out to a comedy club.
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lumpynose
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 7:25 am: |
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Lots of people on this board thought it was funny. It's hard to laugh at yourself when you're all self righteous and wound up. |
Bobkat
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7606
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 7:43 am: |
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After all the bluster and hype over Christmas I find it refreshing that the schools are celebrating Saint Valentine's Day. 
I am sure that there are some who find this extremely offensive. While Hallmark has done wonders to make this a secular holiday, it isn't.
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Parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 1740
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:16 am: |
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Lumpy,
I think you are veering into self righteous territory by calling people you don't know self-righteous. If you call beating a dead horse funny continue on with your merriment. I'll alert Chris Rock to the initial posting so he can work it into his routine |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3360
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:34 am: |
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I don't think this is beating a dead horse. Is the Christmas ban issue over? I hope not (I'm not for a ban). ANd there is something to be said for the fact that no one has gone to the BOE about the fact that the kids are celebrating this Saint Valentine guy. Saint Patrick is coming up too. I guess these "holidays" are okay because there are no songs about them that are sung in church. Or are there?
I thought Save's post was worth a chuckle.
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susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 380
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:50 am: |
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Parkbench,
Thanks for your comments. I'm going to try to resign from this thread (some combination of "don't feed the trolls" and a quick vacation ;-) )...
To be honest, this topic does bring out a bit of the humorless, self-righteous side of me (I prefer to call it politically passionate!). I'm happy to laugh at myself, but I also fight back when humor is used as part of a political agenda (I wish I was better about fighting back with humor -- it always seems to fall a bit flat!)
I'm a huge SOM supporter, but as a liberal Jew was somewhat alienated by the tone (and the Christmas-as-secular-holiday cluelessness) of some of the posters on this board during the holiday debate. However, the thoughtful debate by others made me d--n proud to live here.
Heading off to relax with colorful drinks, beach weather and a good children's program! |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 381
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:55 am: |
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Actually, foff, I'm not keen on Valentine's day in the schools, but not interested in fighting about it.
My daughter never did Valentines at our synagogue preschool, and didn't really want to do them this year for kindergarten. I felt very strange pressuring her to to finish those cards so that she wouldn't be left out of the celebration of this Saint's day.
But you are right...not as big a thing to me because it doesn't involve weeks of musical practice. The impact of a few hours of Valentine's day is not as pervasive as weeks of Christmas.
Still trying to break free and pack the suitcases! |
Parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 1741
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 9:59 am: |
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"I thought Save's post was worth a chuckle."
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Bobkat
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7610
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 10:16 am: |
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I think the point of Ffof's and my posts are mainly to point out the hypocracy of celebrating some Christian holidays and virtually wiping out mention of others.
Since this whole controversy started I have been saying that there is a lot of inconsistency and if we are going to have a secular school system all holidays from all faiths should be banned. |
lumpynose
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1110
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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Why can't all faiths and cultures be celebrated instead of banned? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 5532
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
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Both Christmas and Valentine's day were created as a replacement for pagan holidays. So are they religious? It depends on what light you look at them in. |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 115
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 1:00 pm: |
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For the record, I thought SAVE was humorous even though I don't agree with the point.
The ban, to the extent that I agree with it, isn't so much anti-holiday as it is anti-proselytization. There's nothing explicitly evangelical about Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day -- they've been washed of any real religious value. Some elements of Christmas celebration, however, are explicitly pro-Christian religion and that's inappropriate in *some* contexts in public school, one of them being celebratory performances. |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 2594
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 1:27 pm: |
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Just for the record: |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3361
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 1:49 pm: |
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Parkbench- Thank you for the chuckles! |
mooewe
Citizen
Username: Mooewe
Post Number: 234
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 3:27 pm: |
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Chuckles?
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down the pants."
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anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1662
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 6:40 pm: |
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For a discussion of whether a post is funny or not you folks are awfully serious. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1111
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 8:47 am: |
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I guess we can't celebrate all faiths in school so we need to ban them. Speaking of banning, any books being banned or bonfired? |
Bobkat
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 7636
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 7:50 am: |
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Where the BOE comes in for criticsm as respects the Christmas ban is the way they handled it.
They decided a reinterpretation (although they don't call it that) was needed of an existing policy and basically turned it over to the Administration, not to write a policy, but to pretty much do what they wanted. That ain't effective management.
I believe the way if should have been done is that the Board discuss the issue in public, get input from said public, make a decision and then ask the Administration to write a policy statement on the subject that would be approved by the boardbefore implimentation.
While this isn't going to be my main reason for who I am going to support and campaign for in the BOE election, it is something that is going to be in my mind. |
talk-it-up
Citizen
Username: Talkitup
Post Number: 105
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 7:44 pm: |
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I think the point is missed it wasn't just a ban on Xmas Music, but all religious music. I think we are going backwards when we have to ban something because we can't share and celebrate. What is everyone afraid of, because I think a society only bans everything when it can't be dealt with. (This is especially funny when we are spending a month celebrating Black History, why was there no recognition of others. Didn't we just pass Chinese New Year. Did the schools share anything about another culture?)
In this diverse town we are very two faced.
Why can't we share, celebrate, and learn from each other.
Where is the bon fire, and the book burning, because it sounds like it is headed that way.
I can see us all in black suits, no music, no books, art? Remind you of anything?
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Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 343
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 8:11 pm: |
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Interesting. This thread was started as a joke, and a rather good one at that.
Then the usual politbureau of hardened limousine liberals began their braying. Relax, people, you won! No music in the schools, and we looked like imbeciles on national television! Exactly what you wanted.
Not that it made the schools any better. Or cleaned the bathrooms at Columbia. Or raised the test scores out of the basement. Or achieved anything positive. Just more politically correct nonsense shoved down the kid's throats. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 8:16 am: |
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Chris and Talk- You both hit the nail right on the head.
The ban thing is someone's (not the kids) personal issue that needs to be worked out by a licensed professional. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4633
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 11:43 am: |
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You're right Chris. And the whole situation has not helped CHS but has only given liberals a very, very bad name. |
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