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dave23
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Post Number: 177
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 8:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guy, many of your allegations were never actually alleged.

No one has said said he received a hard pass. No one said he had full access to the White House. I had never heard the allegation that he was subpoenaed.

Which blogs made these allegations?
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Strawberry Alarm Clock
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Post Number: 4554
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 9:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

boring (not you dave23)
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cmontyburns
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SO:

A former gay hooker who now writes under a fake name for a pretend news organization is given one of very few seats in the White House briefing room for a rare presidential press conference, and is one of only a handful of people in the audience called on to ask a question, and then goes on to ask the President of the United States to explain why Democrats are so crazy, and, and and.... that's a "nonstory"?

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notehead
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 2:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave23, I do recall seeing in the initial reports about this that a hard pass had been issued. I have not, however, seen most of the allegations Guy's post contains made anywhere - but perhaps they were. But, even if they were made once by somebody, that doesn't mean that they consitituted much of the concern about this issue.
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anon
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 3:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A minor story? Perhaps a "tempest in a teapot"?

Can anyone say "third-rate burglary"?
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Innisowen
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's all about third-rate Republicans actually. And they are busily trying to turn the US into a banana republic, and apparently being fairly successful at doing that and at undermining our freedoms through their subversive 1950's Eastern European-style communist tactics.
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Strawberry Alarm Clock
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 6:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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notehead
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Fragola
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Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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notehead
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just hope the "Bush Tried Pot" stuff doesn't steal the attention away from the Guckert thing. Imho, Guckert is a more important issue.


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Innisowen
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 1:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guckert is probably busy in the Oval Office doing his fandango version of the Dance of the Seven Veils for assorted WH Staffers and "suits."
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steel
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 2:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The "allegation" that Guckert was given day passes to the White House press room as a "journalist" BEFORE he was representing ANY news organization has more than "the appearance" of being true. It is true. Gannon has absolutely admitted this himself, (on the tube), that he was there initially solely as a representative of "GOP.com" before "Talon News" was even created.

He is then magically called upon over the heads of multi-multi-year veterans of the press corp to ask embarrassingly blatant softball questions followed up later by his so-called reporting which (again self-admittedly) consisted almost entirely of repeating verbatim the White House press releases. (He preferred to call this "accuracy").

-That's not reporting. It's Xeroxing, -and worse, it is Xeroxing by a clear and obvious shill.

Anyone who insists on seeing nothing wrong with this regardless of party affiliation is deluding themselves as they attempt to delude others.

Why does the White House find it necessary to not only pay journalists, (Armstrong) to espose their views but now attempt to pack the press room with shills to get their "message" out? Surely there are enough political pundit hacks in evidence to perform this service.

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Strawman
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

shut up already...bunch of whining liberals with nothing important to say..

P.S. Bush meeting Chirac today..Now, this is important..

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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The latest news is that Guckert/Gannon is thinking about suing...though he hasn't said exactly who he plans to sue. This is good news, ensuring this scandal will not die quietly.

Remember, Nixon wasn't taken down for the crime, he was taken down for the cover-up.
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Nohero
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 4:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, admit it - if this happened in the Clinton Administration, some of you would decide that this was an incredibly important story.
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Robert Livingston
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 4:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Senator Joe Biden: "Why isn't every major network in the country investigating a security breach, forget anything else. How could the FBI, for 17 years I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee, the ranking member. I've read more FBI reports than I ever wanted to know. How could that happen and no one had any idea who this guy was?... The Judiciary Committee of the United States Senate should be investigating it. The House Judiciary should be investigating it. And if it were the other party in charge, it would be investigated."



We're just getting warmed up with this...strange new information (such as Guckert and Karl Rove having a shared mentor in Morton C. Blackwell) keeps surfacing.

I'm with notehead. I'd like to see this as the second-term scandal that brings down Bush over the drug abuse thing.



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Innisowen
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 4:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The slightly hissing noise you hear in the distance is the sound of Republicans "whistling past the graveyard" hoping all this will blow over, or that a new "orange" alert, strategically invented by the head of Fatherland Security, will be announced in order to sideline the Guckert escapade.
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Strawman
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh you mean like these...the one's your friend Saddam built.

ssss
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Joe
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looking at the size of those corpses I'd assume those poor folks were killed quite some time ago. They may have been the Kurds who were gassed back when your buddy Don Rumsfeld gave his blessing to Saddam. The fact that he knew that Saddam was guilty of just these sort of vile acts didn't trouble him, or Reagan, or Bush, and I'm sure you weren't bothered by it at the time either.
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Guy
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What do the White House Press Corps think about Guckert? It is a non story even for these seasoned reporters. They even wonder what exactly constitutes a journalist. Move on Libs. Maybe you can connect Rove to Rathergate.

Members of the White House press corps offered some insight last week after Guckert's resignation.

"We all ask all kinds of questions; we all come to the briefing room with different points of view; we all serve different corporate masters," said Terry Moran of ABC News. "I don't know anything about Gannon's—or Guckert's—private life, and frequently he sounded like a shill for the administration. But he also challenged the White House from time to time with pointed questions—from the right. And that always struck me as valuable and necessary."

Moran's point is food for thought. Although Guckert's question to President Bush in the Jan. 26 press conference—about how Bush planned to work with Democrats "who seem to have divorced themselves from reality"—clearly crossed a line, the Talon News reporter occasionally held the president's feet to the fire. Guckert asked questions about GOP discontent over such issues as immigration, pressed the White House on conservative issues and drew out the administration's perspective on Democratic initiatives.

While many White House reporters oppose advocacy journalism in the briefing room, Moran vehemently objected to the course of action that led to Guckert's resignation.

"Whatever the ostensible rationale, it seems clear to me that `Gannon's' personal life was investigated and targeted by some bloggers because they did not like the ideas he expressed in his questions. That is chilling to me," he said.

John Roberts of CBS News agreed that "the liberal blogosphere"—not the White House press corps—drove the onslaught against Gannon. But he also said that Guckert's "presence at the daily briefing was not an issue with me."

"There are other people there with a clear agenda as well," he said.

Judy Keen, the sage White House correspondent for USA Today, closed the loop.

"Gannon—or whatever his name is—certainly isn't the only reporter whose point of view is reflected in their questions. Anyone who regularly attends the gaggles and briefings knows that there are other reporters there whose questions suggest a certain hostility toward the administration," she said.

Regular briefing attendees know that only too well. Helen Thomas, a former reporter turned columnist, despises Bush and once called him "the worst president in all of American history." Her daily rants come from the hard left, including this question during the lead-up to war in Iraq: "The president claims he's compassionate, but he's on the warpath against Iraq, Iran, North Korea, the Philippines, and this new report he would use nuclear weapons whenever he gets the urge. Is he trying for dictator?"

Few White House reporters dispute the notion that biased questions are asked every day at the briefing—and often, at presidential press conferences or pool sprays. But Keen said there is a deeper question.

"I think the real debate here is over the definition of a reporter: Is someone who writes for an Internet site a journalist? Are opinion writers journalists? The emergence of news-based Web sites and blogs is changing the definition of our business, and these are questions we'll be wrestling with from now on. And who gets to decide who's a journalist and who isn't?"

http://www.kingpublishing.com/fc/white_house/story1.htm

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