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gemini
Citizen
Username: Gemini
Post Number: 378
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 7:46 am: |     |
Just got Comcast DVR, and dumped tivo.
Pros:
1. Can record 2 shows at once
2. Can "Swap" between shows, ie pause and rewind live tv on 2 channels, with or w/o recording (altho recording will pick this up)
3. Only one box
4. $ 9.95/month vs. 12.95
5. Can record in HD (i think the new tivos can as well)
Cons:
1. Comcast doesn't have the search engnie that Tivo had, ie you can't querry for "children, educational,..." you have to search by alpha title, thru the whole list. Same comcast cable menu category exists, but only for "now showing" times.
I was reading an article in the legder saturday, how people are now so addicted to DVR, and actually watch much more tv with it. That addiction to watch episode one, two, and three before four...
I've already tivoed (still use the lingo..) antique roadshoe, this old house and desp housewives among others...I don't even watch these in "normal time" anymore!
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Carrie Avery
Citizen
Username: Carrie33
Post Number: 144
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 7:58 am: | |
YOU SAID:
Just got Comcast DVR, and dumped tivo.
Pros:
1. Can record 2 shows at once (TIVO CAN DO THIS)
2. Can "Swap" between shows, ie pause and rewind live tv on 2 channels, with or w/o recording (altho recording will pick this up) (TIVO CAN DO THIS)
3. Only one box (TIVO HAS ONE BOX)
4. $ 9.95/month vs. 12.95 (3 Dollars more, what's differance?)
I've already tivoed (still use the lingo..) antique roadshoe, this old house and desp housewives among others...I don't even watch these in "normal time" anymore!(TIVO CAN DO THIS)
What are the differances??
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gemini
Citizen
Username: Gemini
Post Number: 379
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 8:57 am: | |
Hey Carrie,
Maybe I had an old version of TIvo (obvioulsy). But My comcast box does both (no need for cable box and tivo box)
My last quote was just a laugh, I know tivo can record. It was just the newness that made me add some shows to my list. |
Carrie Avery
Citizen
Username: Carrie33
Post Number: 147
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 9:13 am: | |
I think TIVO is heavenly. Especially: Because you don't have to watch any commercials ever again, if you don't want to. |
growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 435
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 2:40 pm: | |
We just got Tivo after months of research on MCE2005 and I have to say that we LOVE it. True the DirecTV DVR would be nice however it does not allow you to play mp3 or photos from a home computer to the tv. It's really cool to have the digi photos on the screen as a slide show for everyone in the family to see and to play any cd ripped into the computer at any time. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 402
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 2:52 pm: | |
Tivo with a DVD recorder rocks! Wouldn't say that we watch much more TV with it, but we watch the stuff that we really want to watch. Some of the smartest consumer electronics design that I've seen. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 596
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 5:23 pm: | |
Your best bet is Direct TV with Tivo!!! We can
1. Record two shows at once and watch a third.
2. "Swap" between shows, ie pause and rewind live tv on 2 channels, with or w/o recording
3. One box (choice of 30, 80 or 180 hours)
4. cost $4.99 a month
5. Pause what's being watched to take a bathroom or dinner break (the kids do this)
There is even a Tivo box with a built in DVD player recorder!
I also saw in another thread on MOL there is a new version of Direct TV Tivo that allows you to hook it up to your computer.
Direct TV is MUCH better then Cablegarbge and Comcast. (IMHO)
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AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 118
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 9:00 pm: | |
I have Direct TV with Tivo, and now I want just regular Tivo. Tivo can be upgraded and has new software updates, DirecTivo is a dead technology. Direct TV has no intention of ever making it better or even making new machines. I would highly reccomend buying a regular Tivo and not a DirecTivo if your buying new. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 606
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:49 am: | |
Alley
Did you know Direct TV owns Tivo? That's why Tivo is only $4.99 with Direct TV. I have my eyes on the new Tivo box! 180 hours recording time plus a built in DVD player recorder. Don't want to pay $400 for it though so soon after I paid $400 for my dual VCR / DVD player recorder. |
monster
Citizen
Username: Monster
Post Number: 596
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 1:55 am: | |
I don't think DirecTV owns Tivo they do have some money invested with them, they had an exclusive licensing agreement to use the Tivo product in their boxes until 2007 (this may have changed). DirecTV now has their own boxes which use their own DVR, it was developed by NDS, a division of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which also now owns DirecTV.
The Tivo company makes money by selling its service to makers of DVR's, such as Pioneer, Toshiba, & Humax, as they did with DirecTV.
So who does own Tivo?
Disney owns a part, some other investors are/or were, America Online. Inc. Institutional Venture Partners, NBC Multimedia, Inc., New Enterprise Associates, Sony Corporation, Vulcan Ventures, Inc., TiVo employees (also includes founders, board of director's members), FMR Corp, Wellington Management, and SRG Associates |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 403
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 9:26 am: | |
DirectTV does not own Tivo. Last week's rumor was that Apple might be considering buying Tivo.
Tivo has actually been a bit in crisis recently, with top officers departing/being asked to leave. I believe this is because DirectTV dumped them in order to save costs by developing their own boxes, without much of Tivo's cool software.
(may have some of the details wrong, since I'm doing this from memory) |
Rick B
Citizen
Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 483
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:09 am: | |
If you had tivo and now you have comcast, which is faster? my experience with comcast on demand stuff is rather frustrating. when watching hte movies on demand, pausing, rewinding, and navigation is OK at best. Tivo navigation through programs with 3 FF speeds, pause, replay buttons is great.
Consider you have a home network and an awesome tv with stereo sound. If you had a library of music on your computer (MP3 format), you can get Tivo Home media option which allows you to play your music through your TV/Stereo stystm via TiVo. You can also view pictures through your tv. This is great when you have digital pictures taht you want to show to your visiting friends/family. Home Media option is now free with tivo.
Imagine you get a second tivo (because its THAT good). If you have a home network, you can transfer the shows that you record between TiVo's. Start watching desp housewives downstairs, but oh so tired, want to finish in bed? Transfer it to your upstairs tivo and watch away. Same thing applies with music/photos.
Tivo has just released "Tivo to Go". Still in beta. Say you have recorded some of the Dukes of Hazard shows that CMT was marathoning this weekend. With tivo to go, you can transfer your files to your PC (i.e. assuming you have enough disk space, which you probably don't), and burn them to a DVD (assuming you have said DVD burner).
So, for casaul purposes, comcast can do some of the same stuff that tivo can, but look a little deeper, comcast doesn't compare. Not to mention, why give the cable company any MORE power over your life than they already have!  |
monster
Citizen
Username: Monster
Post Number: 599
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:14 am: | |
isn't that what I said.
While Apple could buy Tivo, there isn't really any reason too.
If they were to buy something along those lines it would most likely be Digital Network's ReplayTV, and their Escient Fireball line.
Both systems are fully compatible with any Mac running OS X, a combination of the two lines would be a great addition to Apples Digital Hub.
http://www.escient.com/index.html
http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/replaytv/default.asp
Now if they bought DigitalNetworks outright, they would most likely dump the "Rio" company or sell it off.
The ReplayTV is controlled from the Mac by DVArchive, written by Gerry Duprey.
http://www.dvarchive.org/
If all of this were to transpire they most likely would try to bring him onboard.
Apple could either develop on top of DVArchive for another software package, or use it in an update of iTunes.
iTunes has been rumored to have an upcoming update for video management.
While Escient's Fireball has it's own software package, iTunes is much cleaner and could easily be used to interact with the Fireball, couple that with DVArchive written into iTunes and you have a complete audio/visual management package.
Apple of course could develop all of this on their own without spending the money on buying ReplayTV, but along with Apple's intense customer loyalty, is the loyalty of ReplayTV's customer base that is a plus.
If Apple is developing its own PVR/DVR, (they do like to put out their own hardware style), I could see them buying the DVArchive software.
Apple has a habit of buying software, and claiming it as their own when their version comes out, they also like to bring in the software developers of packages they like, and have them work on Apple branded versions. This is what they did with iTunes, Apple hired the developers of SoundJam from Casady & Greene, http://www.casadyg.com/
which has since gone out of business.
Like Apple, ReplayTV was the first to come out with a superior technology, only to have it emulated and marketed better by a competitor.
Of course, this could just be wishful thinking by all the ReplayTV fans out there, at least the ones that are MacFanatics also. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 622
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:16 am: | |
Sounds like Direct TV lied to me. 
Does this mean they'll start charging more then the $4.99 a month they currently charge?
Brett I wish MY Tivo unti did all the things yours does. Not fair!
We have two Tivo Direct TV combo boxes and three regular direct TV boxes. |
monster
Citizen
Username: Monster
Post Number: 600
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:23 am: | |
What RickB said above about Tivo, you have always been able to do that with ReplayTV, and if you want to watch something in another room that has a Replay unit, you don't have to transfer the show, you just stream it from one to the other.
You can control replay over the internet also, if you need to set it to record a show for instance, just log onto http://my.replaytv.com/servlet/Login
and go to it.
Replay also offers the ability to share shows over the internet, if you want to share a show with cousin Clem in Alabama, he can transfer it from your Replay to his. If you missed something you can do the same, or go to http://www.poopli.com/e1525/about.htm and request a show, and see what else is available.
But whichever DVR/PVR you like, once you start using it, you will use the VCR less and less. |
Rick B
Citizen
Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 484
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:32 am: | |
oh, forgot about the remote scheduling.
if you have home media option, you can also go to the tivo web site and pick shows to record. Say you are at work and fogot to set your tivo to record jeopardy tonight, just go to tivo.com sign in and record. Also, the tivo desktop, runs on your computer. There is another version (JavaHMO) that has extended functionality to use the picture viewing. Lets you program in web sites, weather, and even local cinema programming. Want to see what movies are playing in the Maplewood theater? Go into your tivo and check it out! Want to stream live radio (where available) through your tivo? YOu can do that too!
Not sure about replaytv and how it works, but tivo also has this large "underground" community. they hack the tivo (which is just a box running the linux operating system). You can add hard drives, ftp to your tivo, and do all sorts of stuff. I would imagine replay tv has this type of community too.
ReplayTV and Tivo have been around for a while. Comcast and the cable companies are just getting into the game.
As you can imagine, i am a tivo lover and a little biased. if i had more time in the day, perhaps my tivo would be managing my home and broadcasting the dog cam to my work location! |
jamie
Moderator
Username: Jamie
Post Number: 805
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:47 am: | |
Rick, I don't think you could go in there and program something for tonight online - I believe the online edits take effect in the overnight updates to the box. |
Rick B
Citizen
Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 485
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:51 am: | |
well, it depends on how you have your tivo set up. If you connect through your broadband connection, your tivo will go out and poll more frequently. I have set up recordings as close as 3 hours in advance online and it worked great. It even emails you to let you know it was scheduled to record.
Not sure how it works if you connect through your phone line though. You could be right. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1493
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:51 am: | |
Jamie, if you have Tivo Software version 7.2+, and the tivo is hooked to the Internet, changes can be made 1 hour before the show starts. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 405
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:52 am: | |
Jamie,
Takes overnight if you connect by phone, but only takes an hour or so if you connect via your wireless network, which checks in more frequently |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 406
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:53 am: | |
LOL...the Tivo faithful speak in unison! |
ronzio
Citizen
Username: Ronzio
Post Number: 97
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 4:22 pm: | |
We switched from DirectTV with TiVo, back to Comcast with their DVR a month or so ago. Why? B/c with Direct TV, if I want to TiVo in HD, I need to spend $1000 on their hardware. With Comcast, I get most of the same functionality, minus the great TiVo interface, but in HD. I'll go back to DirectTV, which is clearly a superior service compared to Comcast, when they get their pricing more in line with Comcast. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 626
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 5:24 pm: | |
Man I feel Jipped!!! I want the type of Tivo Brett and Rick have! |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 122
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 1:51 pm: | |
Just the Aunt: EXACTLY, you and I are getting ripped off cause we didn't know when we bought out DirecTivos that it wasn't going to be upgraded in the future. Unknowingly you and I bought a dead technology.
I first realized that my Tivo was inferior to my co-workers when I was complaining that I had to scroll through pages of shows on my To Do list. I wanted to sort the list alphabetically by Show title sometimes (instead of always by Date). My coworker was confused cause he said he could do that. Finally I realized my Tivo was different. He told me to upgrade my software. Which confused me more since as you know DirecTivo does that when I call in automatically, so I knew my software was actually up to date.
But then later down the road, more recently, someone here on MOL mentioned Tivo To Go. I started reading about it, and getting EXTREMELY envious. I then started reading about ALL of the DirecTivo users like you and me who were left in a lurch. No one knew that DirecTv was going to do this to them. And no one was happy about it.
So what should we do? The only thing I can think of is wait until your one year subscription is up with DirecTV and invest the cash in buying a new Tivo hardware. The DirecTivo box is actually the same hardware as a regular Tivo, but in order to switch it over, you need to do some fancy software rearranging. It's way over my head, and I don't own a Windows/Linux Box to do it anyway. Maybe someone online could do the switch for us. If you find someone to do the work for you, don't forget to have them upgrade your HD in the process. My unit comes with a 40 gig Hard Drive, but I think you can install two 120 HDs in some of the boxes. Imagine going from 40 hours to 240 hours of recording time.
That's what I want. :-) |
growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 439
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 3:59 pm: | |
I bought the Tivo last month. It's a series 2, which gives you the To Go functions. With the rebate it comes to $99. If you get the lifetime warranty, you do not have to pay the monthly fee of $12.99. The warranty is $199 (I think). And if you sell the unit the warranty can be transferred which doubles the value of the sale.
We have DirecTV and the hook up could have not been easier (even the wireless connection). The 40 gig is nice for what we use it for but if you really watch a lot of tv then the 80 or higher would be better. But, with Tivo To Go, you can transfer the shows to your computer and burn them to a DVD. The transfer speeds are slow through wireless but do it overnight and you'll never know the difference.
And I can view all my digital pics on the tv and listen to mp3's and streaming online radio.
Sure Tivo does not have HD yet, but that's in the works. And not too many people have a tv that is HD compatible. The only thing that I cannot do is watch "live" tv while recording another show. That doesn't make a difference to me seeing as I'm usually watching a recorded show anyhow so the Tivo can record the other one without any problems. If you wanted to watch live tv and record another show, then you would have to have a dual sat tuner.
If you think about getting one, please PM me so that I can give you a referral code (I'm working on a 140 hr series 2 box and need 5 referrals).
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Rick B
Citizen
Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 489
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - 7:31 am: | |
i'd love to get your referral point too! I got a number of friends/family into TiVo BEFORE they offered reward points for referrals. Unfortunately, I can't get credit for them! grrr...
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